1000 - 1200 Calories

[The Moog]

It's the regularity of them. It's not always what you say it's the repeated nature of them - Emmaline was right. I hope you can come some way to understanding how that makes some people feel.

Yes, I'm extremely upset too. I've been considering leaving the forum as I can't even post on the VLCD forum as I'm not following an official VLCD. My diet is quite simply 'calorie counting' - the amount of cals shouldn't matter. This should not be an issue.

 

[lindseydodd408]

Brain wave... I could ask an admin to create a myfitnesspal subforum within ccing... That way people who follow the 1200 minimum train of thought can be directed that way and people whose bodies respond better to less cals don't have to read those kind of posts on the main ccing bit... Then everyone gets the option to pitch their school of thought to new comers who are looking for advice... but they don't have to have the other opinions rammed down their throat... what do you think? Good compromise or rubbish idea? x

 

[lindseydodd408]

I've emailed Mini to see if it can become a reality, we can have peace in the camp of ccing once again... arguing makes me want to comfort eat... never good on this type of forum!!!

 

[The Moog]

Sounds good Linds. I don't actually want to pitch anything. I'm perfectly happy just chatting and getting on with things. I've always been an 'each to their own' type of person. I meant what I said about the number of calories not mattering - it shouldn't make any difference.

It would be lovely to be able to use the forum again.

 

[lindseydodd408]

Pitch away moog, there will be plenty of people coming along in a similar situation to you and they may have no idea that they can follow a low cal diet without having to go on those shake meal replacement things in order to get all their vitamins and minerals. We're all here to help as much as to be helped, lol! x

 

[Caz]

Ladies, ladies, ladies! I think everyone needs to take a moment to step back and have a breather here. I think a lot of things have been said and people need to just calm down a little. I can see both sides to things and won't be commenting on my own personal opinion, I don't think there needs to be further discussion here really. My only comment will be that I appreciate posts from a number of people on here, Moog and Fattack included and I would hate to see any person leave the forum, or this section, because of all of this. Fattack has given excellent advice to a number of people in the past and in GENERAL circumstances, for the average healthy person, that advice does stand. However, there are people such as Moog who do have medical reasons that make a 1000 a day allowance more acceptable. I think everyone needs to take a little breather and realise that people on here do need all the options and advice given to them, as they may not realise things even with medical approval, but that whatever anyone chooses to do, we should support them. After all, this is a forum where we should be encouraging, supporting and motivating people and at the moment, I highly doubt that anyone is feeling any of those things from this thread.

 

[happyhealthy]

You have never supported me. You have, however, criticised regularly. You aren't medically qualified (funnily enough, I do have a nationally recognised formal medical qualification) and have been both rude and overly-assertive.

Oh dear, oh dear oh dear. There was no need for that at all. I tried to gently put my point across in the kindest and nicest way possible. I even ended each post by stressing that I didn't want to cause any conflict and that all I was trying to do was make a peaceful point.

You instead are now downright insulting. It's a shame that you had to turn my well meaning point into an insult. This is the second time that you've insulted me in recent weeks and I can only conclude that you're a very bitter lady. However, this forum is for support and therefore we should be mature leave our differences aside and perhaps just stay away from one another as there seems to be a lot of dislike from your side. If you are so upset by fattack practicing basic common sense and giving basic medical support than perhaps you should shut your eyes every time one of her posts appear in a forum. You know yourself that you're on a specialised program because you've said yourself many times that you've got special circumstances, so why would you take the information intended for people of normal circumstances as upsetting and insulting? That's like a vegetarian saying that someone's been rude because they suggested chicken as a good source of protein.

Anyway, I think for the sake of maturity I shall leave that there. I'm sorry that you came back with such spite to my gentle comment, but I'm not afraid to stick to my guns and stand up for myself when such an insulting back lash takes place. I never get annoyed with people like this, but you've treated poor fattack outrageously when she's only been trying to help.

People are understandably trying to keep the peace on this threat, but you'd need to be severally lacking in social skills to see that you've been very. very unfair in this whole unfortunate escapade - no matter what you're opinion on the subject is.

 

[The Moog]

Oh dear, I was trying to do was make a peaceful point.

No one had any issue with what you said. The discussion was perfectly reasonable there.

You instead are now downright insulting. It's a shame that you had to turn my well meaning point into an insult. This is the second time that you've insulted me in recent weeks and I can only conclude that you're a very bitter lady.

Er - where? I have no recollection of insulting you at all. I'd be grateful if you could PM me where I have and I'm more than happy to apologise if I have. As I say, I have no recollection of doing so.

I look forward you you apologising for your personal insults to me here.

there seems to be a lot of dislike from your side. If you are so upset by fattack practicing basic common sense and giving basic medical support than perhaps you should shut your eyes every time one of her posts appear in a forum.

Yes, I have been staying away from the forum because of this. She's been politely asked a couple of times not to drive her point home ALL of the time. By all means mention it sometimes, but not ALL the time. I don't think that's unreasonable.

You know yourself that you're on a specialised program because you've said yourself many times that you've got special circumstances, so why would you take the information intended for people of normal circumstances as upsetting and insulting?

Because it's ALL the time in virtually every thread. I don't know how to explain it any clearer than that.

you've treated poor fattack outrageously when she's only been trying to help.

And she's treated me outrageously too. I've been insulted, attacked for asking her just to back off a little and the whole thing has turned into an issue that it never should have been. She's a very assertive lady who believes 100% in her way. I don't want her to believe or act on anything contrary to what she believes in, but I would like her to give some space to others who do live their lives in different ways. That shouldn't be too much to ask.

you'd need to be severally lacking in social skills to see that you've been very. very unfair in this whole unfortunate escapade - no matter what you're opinion on the subject is.

That's your opinion. But do try and see the other side too if you can. We have been asking for a little consideration in just a few threads we can post on - whilst in the minority, we do exist and shouldn't be discriminated against.

Hopefully that's now all clear. There's no point in me returning to the thread - but if a little consideration could be shown on some threads, that would be lovely. If that's too much to ask, well, that's it's own answer, isn't it

 

[Fattack]

Well actually, no Moog, it's not that way at all. I have never been asked to stop repeating myself, it would have taken little more than a private message asking me to do so and explaining WHY you feel so put out- which is still unclear. I fail to see how repeating myself is offensive, when I am mostly saying this to people who have clearly not read stickies and are, nine times out of ten, asking for advice regarding their calories - plus the advice not to drop below 1200 is pertinent for, as you acknowledge yourself and as I constantly acknowledge in posting, the MAJORITY of women.

Furthermore, I do 100% believe in "my own way"- how else would I be successful and lose 70lbs? However I do not believe that my way works for everyone. I believe in medically sanctioned methods, as stated repeatedly, even in this thread- whether that means the person is on 3000 cals or Cambridge Sole Source (which I have endorsed in several posts, and done myself). I have also done several other diets- kelloggs, GI, low carb, veggie) all of which worked for me, it's just I enjoy 1200 calories with activity the most and incorporated with exercise you can't really get more textbook healthier a diet. Different strokes for different folks- as long as what they are doing is medically approved by a doctor. However, these points I make repeatedly are disregarded, whilst extended repetition of "1200 unless your doctor has stated otherwise" is focussed on. I am sorry you felt unwelcome both here and in VLCD, it was not my intention at all to make you feel this way. I apologise if I have offended you, but really, if you'd just sent me a PM or said to me directly (maybe I can't take a hint, maybe I missed the post, but I've never seen a complaint) explaining why you were offended by my repeating myself (which still alludes me) then I would have made efforts to simply direct people to my sticky and the situation could have been avoided entirely. There really was no need for public digs (and I'm referring to Emmeline also). I don't find your repetitions or Emmeline's repetitions that sub-1k works for you irritating nor do I find it offensive- nor would I even if you posted it in every single thread, and even if it did I'd simply scroll down, so I honestly had no idea that the reverse (my repetitions of my sticky) would even be an issue.

Upon further thoughts and talking to some of my friends here I will continue to post actively as, despite this furore, I, like you, have friends here and enjoy doing so. I also think Lindsay's idea is excellent, provided there will be some kind of disclaimer on the VLCD subsection that medical advice should definitely be sought beforehand, moreso than most other diets. I hope this clears things up, as I do- as my previous posts that I have quoted are testament to, do respect and admire you Moog, as do many others, which is partially why I was so hurt. Feel free to PM me and explain why my repetition was so offensive and if people post stating that they're under 1200 without proffering that theyve received medical advice to do so, I'll just direct them to the sticky

 

[babystar31]

Going back to the original post (you know the one before it was highjacked, cmon guys!) there are loads u can have for 500cals. I'm also doing lower calories a day with medical supervision (although to save criticism I said in my diary I'll be having 1200 infect I'm having between 800-1000, anything for an easy life lol) Ive had fajita wraps and salad, roast chicken dinner, stir fries, loads of ready meals are ok too for quickness! I sometimes struggle to get the full 500 in! Good luck Hun xx

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[Fattack]

Ah yes the original topic- sorry OP!

http://www.weightwatchers.com/food/rcp/index.aspx?recipeId=140411 is my favourite fajita recipe. Discover tortilla wraps are just over 100cals for the wholemeal ones, which would be brilliant for you as you have PCOS.

In general, WW recipes are great for low cal, if you can find some old recipe books on eBay (from the old plan- discover) they often list the calorie content, or you could just input the foods into my fitness pal individually and work it out that way

 

[kirsty_baird_26]

Wow i did attempt to read all the posts but tbh i got bored of all the argueing!!

Im sorry my post has caused such an uproar, it was not intended in anyway to cause problems.

We are all on here to lose weight and support each other iv just recently moved to this board from the slimming world board and its totally different here. On slimming world i dont think i ever seen this sort of reaction from everyone argueing when we should be helping each other.

Anyways thanks for all your replys, i am continueing to follow my diet (With medical help) and i thank you for the ideas for recipes. Yesterday i had a day off as i was out with a friend for an indian so had a treat day, i still believe i can lose weight adding in some treat days here and there.

Just off to shops for some low calorie foods to plan this weeks meals.

Kirsty

 

[Legomom]

Ooh I just make it up as I go so I'll definitely be looking round some of these ideas!
To the OP..
I did a Lower cal plan last year with a really intense workout regime and my weight loss didn't slow until I was 4.5 stones down. I did get lethargic and a bit light headed a few times but a banana usually sorted me out. It can work and it is fast but it's hard! I'm being far more gentle on myself this time simply because I don't feel strong enough to go at it as hard. I think it's fair to say any kind of more extreme plan is not great as a long term thing but they do give fast spectacular results. the rebound is pretty fierce tho when you do stop just try really hard to do it over a few weeks!

I was supervised by a fully qualified personal trainer but even with her degree some of the advice she gave me seems dangerous now! As in eat this diet (800 cals I worked it out at) and do two hours of very demanding workout 6 days a week but all I could add in was a handful of brazil nuts? I was getting injuries a lot and they weren't healing properly. But at the time I really wanted to lose weight fast and I dont regret doing it. I'm no longer obese. I'm in a clothes size that doesn't make me cry. I can have a physical side to my marriage again. Yes I regained 20 lbs and I'm sad to say all my toning work was wasted but I'm coming at it from another angle now. Just use your own common sense and you'll be fine!

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[Fattack]

To be fair, arguments are rare on minimins. I've been on the minimins forums (mainly in WeightWatchers, low GI, and Cambridge - and this one since February) for over 18months and had never been involved in, or even seen any public arguing until this week.

Good luck with your shop, and you're welcome for the food ideas.

 

[coley144]

My thyroid was borderline underactive and yes it was (and still is) a great struggle to lose weight. I have adapted lots of recipes to bring the calories down - such as doing lasagne with sliced courgette rather than pasta. I also substitute butternut squash for potatoes a lot and shiratake noodles for pasta.

I've just been reading Jillian Michaels book on metabolism and she's got good advice in there for people with thyroid problems (and others). It might be worth reading. I'm not going to enter the debate thats run above but her suggestion is not to drop calories too low when you have a thyroid problem because your metabolism is already slowed - and that exacerbates that. I do find I have to eat less than a 'normal' person to lose but I try not to go too low. Exercise is really very important for us.

The last thing I'd say is that if you ever decide to have kids go back to your GP and discuss treatment again - I started getting levothyroxine because I was trying to get pregnant. Its very important that your thyroid meds are right when pregnant.