Big Boys Need Love Too!

Hi Tyn. Good that you're back. We've all missed you. x
Abz - Glad you've decided what to do and eaten something. Hope you feel better soon. x
Jenn - It's hard being a mum and getting the balance right. You just have to do what you think is right for you and your family. x
Taz - I like having the house to myself too x
 
OMG Jenn that is terrible! That is the danger of giving these monsters a new identity, they are free to worm their way into anyones life and kill again. I really don'y buy that they didn't know what they were doing that day, they are evil and shouldn't be protected. It's the innocent public that needs protecting
 
Not the First

I can't believe I'm not the first this morning BY 2 HOURS :eek: That's scary!!

:character00238: I think Mr Sun has decided to be a southerner again today cos he's with me already :character00238: Good morning all you lovely people. It's GREAT to be alive :character00238:

Well, it's official - those squatter lbs from the weekend have been evicted and I'm back to the pre-weekend sts. Now I've got 4 days to drop a couple of lbs (ever positive) for a good result on the Monday weigh in :D Seriously though, sts would be a good result but it would be fantastic to see the ticker move again :)
 
howdy. that's an awful story jenn, but we don't know if it was the jamie bulger killers. and although i don't necessarily believe that they didn't know what they were doing and that they shouldn't have been punished more harshly, a lot of the things that were circulated about what happened to that little boy were false, making them seem even more monstrous than they were... if possible.

i think that people have to be given a chance at rehabilitation. that doesn't mean that i know what that is, or whether they should be given new identities or not, but i don't believe in the death sentence as killing someone for killing someone seems ironic to me, and locking them up forever seems kind of pointless. so i don't know what to think. all i can say is that i hope it wasn't one of those young boys, that they did see the error of their ways and that they no longer live a tortured existence. and bloody glad that whoever it was they got the ******* that did it this time.

abz xx
 
i feel so full still!! and i have a headache this morning. that's what i get for eating!! low carb or not. so lots of water for me today i think. at some point i'm meeting a friend of mine that i haven't seen for a while which i'm looking forward to. i have no idea when or where.

and yes, it is my day off and i've still been awake since 6. grrr. lying in just doesn't seem feasible any more, ha. even if i give it a shot. so i laid in bed for an hour and a half and then thought i'd pop in and see what you guys were up to.

we had the sun briefly last night but it seems to have buggered off down south again*sigh*. no more than expected. it's my day off. why on earth would the sun shine?

abz xx
 
:character00238: Hi abz. I will have a word with Mr Sun and ask if he will put his northern hat on for a while and shine for you :character00238: But be warned, he is MALE and they do tend to do just as they wish don't they :character00238:

I reckon it's just your body accepting something it's not been used to for a while and not being quite sure what to do with it. I hope you feel better soon :character00238:
 
howdy. that's an awful story jenn, but we don't know if it was the jamie bulger killers. and although i don't necessarily believe that they didn't know what they were doing and that they shouldn't have been punished more harshly, a lot of the things that were circulated about what happened to that little boy were false, making them seem even more monstrous than they were... if possible.

i think that people have to be given a chance at rehabilitation. that doesn't mean that i know what that is, or whether they should be given new identities or not, but i don't believe in the death sentence as killing someone for killing someone seems ironic to me, and locking them up forever seems kind of pointless. so i don't know what to think. all i can say is that i hope it wasn't one of those young boys, that they did see the error of their ways and that they no longer live a tortured existence. and bloody glad that whoever it was they got the ******* that did it this time.

abz xx

Well abz...everyone has their right to their own views and opinions. And I respect yours,however, exaggeration or not, I can tell you, not only did they do wrong, but I think they should NEVER have come out!!

It was bad enough thinking BEFORE i had kids how terrible the bulgar case was, but now as a parent....with a 3 YO of my own...and the LU was only 2 at the time of his death....is makes it far worse.

Please don't think that I am trying to be mean, but Gem I am sure you understand where I am coming from. When you are a parent...things change. Before my son, of course, I was sympathetic to the plites of the young and their families. And when i watched childrens hospital I used to be " oh wow that is terrible!" Change the channel. But as a parent...the first thing that comes into your head is..."what if it were my child!" Those poor parents...that would kill me!! It's not that people have no sympathy/empathy for the situation, but when you are so so close to a child like that...it just hits a lot hard, i feel.

As far as the death penalty...I think if people have commited a crime so heinus and it has been proven to be so, then yes, I think their live should end!! And I have no qualms in saying it. Maybe it's because I am american, maybe because I am southern, maybe because I am texan, but I think that is someone should pay the price. Staying in jail, they get all kinds of rights and privledges, it costs ME as a tax payer money, and they get to live a life. Why should they? Those who are the victims are gone, and their families, live the punishment for the rest of their lives!!

Maybe you think I am wrong, and that is fine. But it is only my opinion, I feel quite strongly about it. Ironic or not...you take someone's life from them...( non accidental of course) and so too should your life be taken!!

But then again....I am atheist too....so the religion aspect of it all means nothing to me.



Gem, I understand what you mean about letting go gradually. I do...and I am fine with that. I am happy to let him go off and do things....I am happy to take him to nusery, or wonder around. But as you say...at 3 it is not an issue, but for me...I am and will aways be aware of the possibel dangers... I tell him enough to be be aware without making him conscience of what could/may never happen.

sorry about the sermon, but I am really ralled up about this.

Jenn
 
Hi there again

Jenn and Abz - Ah.... what an immotive subject :confused: I have to admit that I am not wholly on either side of the fence but directly in the middle. Having worked with damaged kids I know that sometimes they are SO damaged that their problems are never resolved, where for some rehabilitation is an COMPLETE turnaround. It must be SO hard to decide which is which. I only know that with some of the kids I have worked with it is just a look that makes me take a step back and take care because I feel there is something fundamentally wrong and there is danger.

I think perhaps when something as dreadful as that case happens, the children that committed the crime, now grown up MUST demonstrate WITHOUT A DOUBT that their whole thinking has changed and there is no deep seated desire to harm before even thinking of allowing them freedom. Even then I feel their lives should be monitored.

Many children are badly damaged by their life experiences and have fallen foul of the law for numerous minor offences, including violence not that I think violence is minor). They are still in society and some of them are walking time bombs - just waiting for someone to light the blue touch paper :(

I do understand what you mean Jenn. As a mother of a young child you will always think, "This could be my child". One thing I will say is to get it into perspective.

Jenn, if you put all the focus on these two perpetrators, you are in danger of ignoring the fact that this is only a small part of the problem. You are worried, quite rightly and understandably about your child. I was too and told my children about stranger danger and also told them that strangers were people who mummy had never asked to look after them - so if they'd never looked after them (even if they were friends) they were strangers. I didn't leave my kids a lot but when I did, it was with people I trusted completely. That way I didn't have to tell them I didn't completely trust the next door neighbour, he was just another stranger to be treated with caution.

Girls, I do not altogether sit well with a life for a life but cannot say that anyone is right or wrong. I believe life is precious and NO-ONE has the right to take another life but the ultimate solution surely comes before all of this.

This is probably the second disaffected generation of young people our society has failed. The education system in general is in melt-down and drowning in it's own paperwork and many school succeed on paper only. The kids often have a very different experience.

The system for the more difficult disaffected students has gone through transition after transition and is still not meeting the needs of these very complex individuals. Once this is addressed in real terms, with true face-to-face work to meet the emotional needs and break down the barriers, then society may have a chance to solve the disaffected yob culture.

Mistakingly all initiatives, money led of course, are short term solutions to long term problems. Unfortunately for the most part, those short term solutions do not ultimately work. There has to be changes that will follow through and really change lives and the stability of knowing that support systems are going to remain in place and the rug not pulled from under their feet.

It's a bit like losing a lot of weight really. People fail for those very same reasons. You need to be in it for the long game and put the support systems in to make it happen. At the end of the road is a lifestyle change. :)

Jenn, you think you wrote a sermon but I think mine was almost a thesis :eek: Sorry :) x
 
ha. and i thought i'd written a lot... i am going to sit out on this one. i can't condone killing another person regardless of what they've done, but i understand the thinking behind it. and i can't say that i wouldn't want someone dead if they harmed my child or someone close to me. if it is done in self defence that is one thing but killing somebody for their actions, and usually it is because of some deep psychological problem, doesn't seem right to me. regardless of whether that person will never regret what they did. that just makes them seem more ill to me. but i still can't believe that taking their life is the answer? why? i don't know. but that's just me. so we'll agree to disagree on that one jenn :)

so after saying i'd sit out i haven't.

onto better and brighter things. i am wearing a cheery tshirt today in an effort to perk myself up. and it's worked because the thing actually comes down to my tummy button and works as a vest top instead of looking like some kind of deformed crop top which it has done for some time :D i now need to go and make myself vaguely presentable as the friend i'm meeting is a teacher and always manages to look lovely and i always feel like a tramp, ha. add to that the fact that i can't be arsed to get rid of my moustache and that this diet has given me spots, even though they have always been a very rare occurence in my life and i'm going to look ridiculous!!

have had my first bar for brekkie and some coffee and no explosive rejections so i think my body may finally have accepted them as part of my diet which is great since i am thoroughly addiced to them, ha.

i'm going to toddle off for now. and if i said earlier that the gym ball didn't do a bloody thing, i can't remember if i did, but if i did then it was a lie. yesterday's experiments with a gym ball are making themselves known. not in an 'oh my god i can't move' way but in a 'take a deep breathe or pull in your tummy muscles and you may get a surprise' kind of way, ha.

i will get perky today if i have to fight the gloom all the way!!

abz xx
 
Wooooooah guys this has gone deeeep hahaha. ok lets start from the beginning...


First Tyn goes missing now we have Elle AWOL! What's going on? Of course you do realise that between them they won't let those shiney red shoes go so they could have clicked off anywhere :eek: x


:bliss:​

Yeah what happened was I ran off with tyn tyn and we took the shoes with us. but then we missed you guys so came back.

And also I had a day off yesterday so didn't get online hahaha.

Tyn and Elle AWOL together?! If I didn't know better...

Yeah... exactly hahahahaha

OMG! - Lady from Swindon got brain damage from drinking too much water on a detox diet (5 litres on the day she went to hospital) recommended 2 - 4 pints a day on news item. Lady won something like £810,000 in damages against the nutritionalist.

Oh my word, I have read previously about how much damage too much water can do. I'm drinking around 2 to 2.5 litres per day, not forgetting how much i'm getting from my food aswell, fruit etc... I think CDers are drinking more to make up for that but PLEASE guys (i.e. abz) dont go over what you're told, play it safe lol. Who knew water could be so disastrous? (well, maybe gem did hahaha)

Hey girls,

I am still alive, i broke my internet cable (again) So been internetless. Found a way around it for the time being, but means i gotta be downstairs to use it. Which sucks but meh. I have the house to myself so its all fine! (Well, apart from being alone for the first time in 23 years!)

I got a bit sicky after my night out, think i hurt my stomach and cheast when i was heaving. But i am ok now.

Eating loads of crap tho, i tell myself i shouldn't but i have no will power at all recently lol.

I am not to concerned tho, i am in the state yet to go back to actually caring about my weight, i am just waiting for september! lol.

So, what did i miss?

xx

Tyn tyn welcome back love. The last day or so running away with you was so much fun haha.

I too am allllll alone from tonight as my family is going on holiday. A bit worried as i've never been in my house alone for so long before, although i have lived alone - well, i wasn't supposed to be alone but at uni in second year i basically was.


howdy. that's an awful story jenn, but we don't know if it was the jamie bulger killers. and although i don't necessarily believe that they didn't know what they were doing and that they shouldn't have been punished more harshly, a lot of the things that were circulated about what happened to that little boy were false, making them seem even more monstrous than they were... if possible.

i think that people have to be given a chance at rehabilitation. that doesn't mean that i know what that is, or whether they should be given new identities or not, but i don't believe in the death sentence as killing someone for killing someone seems ironic to me, and locking them up forever seems kind of pointless. so i don't know what to think. all i can
say is that i hope it wasn't one of those young boys, that they did see the error of their ways and that they no longer live a tortured existence. and bloody glad that whoever it was they got the ******* that did it this time.

abz xx

Oh gooood stories like this really upset me. Those Jamie Bulger killers should NOT have been let out, what they did was disgusting. However, i'm against the death penalty. I'm with abz in the sense that i think it's ridiculous since you're doing what they did, and such a heinous thing as well.. secondly and more importantly, it's the easy way out. They should have some jails where the advantages of other prisons are banned completely. That's where they should stick people like that, leave them there to rot away their days thinking about what they did. Have no existance until the day they die. Pretty hardcore i Know lol but watching a documentary about them and what they did, i was in tears. How can they lack such emotion, how can you pick up a child and do that to them? How? There are only a couple of ways that killing someone is just about forgivable in my eyes, I studied it in criminal law. One is accidentally, manslaughter... Reckless behaviour is unforgivable but without intent i do kind of feel sorry for the people. We had a family friend in cyprus who ran someone over accidentally and killed them and he's been a wreck ever since. And secondly, in self defence. Alluwahlia is the all important case there if I remember rightly, the important self defence for the victims of abuse at home. It stated that self defence no longer had to be an immediate reaction. This poor woman was being beaten to a pulp and saw no way out so she set fire to her husband one night I think. You can access the case if anyone's interested. I make it sound a bit stupid but it's a lot more erm.... evocative? than you'd think. Aaaanywho i'll stop talking now lol.

Although first let me tell you girlies and tyn that I got on the scales this morning and it came out at 14st 0lbs exactly!! I was very excited and almost did a dance till i realised that weigh in is tomorrow hahaha. Swimming really helps me lose weight, i'd forgotten :)

xxx
 
:wow:Elle :party0011: Yay You! Is swimming all the exercise you've been getting ;) I hope you haven't got those shoes wet :p
 
hahahaha i converted tyn for a couple of nights but he's back to his usual lovely self now lol. ;) thanks muchas Gem, i was soooo happy. Thought i'd mucked things up when i got on the other day and it was saying 14st 4lbs but i was thinking WHYYYY, since putting all my bad food choices together, i hadn't really done that badly. at the bbq i'd had meat in a pitta bread with salad. the meat was just normal chicken done on a spit roast the greek way. no breakfast, bad bad me, cos i didnt have any time to. and then after that i had a bit of salmon, sweet potato mash and salad. my only vice was a few chocolate m&ms. But i went to the toilet:p did some swimming and now it seems ok. :) yay :) xxx
 
Afternoon all, just got back from work and quickly checking in to say hi before I have to dash out again! Sun is Scorchio here today and I must go and change...







... and perhaps a little deoderant wouldn't go amiss either!
 
yeah think the deodorant would be a clever plan there taz! ;) x
 
Taz - Don't tell them we still have Mr Sun :character00238: cos I told them I was sending him up north :giggle:

Elle - No probs :D but could you just clear one thing up for me please? :confused: Did you swim in the toilet, poo in the pool or was it separate? :confused: Just need to get that one straight cos I don't wanna be running away with the wrong idea do I? :eek: :rotflmao:
 
i went swimming, then pooed around 12hours later. haha. on the toilet. :p
 
Deoderant done! All nicely smelling now.

Gem, you must be further south than me and Mr Sun must be passing through on his way up north!
 
Thank you Elle for clarifying that one. I could feel another story coming on about a pool attendant with a net or a plumber searching for a lost person with his legs sticking out of the toilet! Oh dear! I have a mind like a sewer and someone's opened the drain cover! x
 
Hey all....well yeah, we are are of our own minds...and I would never suggest otherwise.

We just got back from the air show...all was great. LU loved the rides and some of the planes. He had a great time on the beach...for about an hour and half...thought we had good seats till the tide started coming in......aaaaaahhhh. Not to mention people with kids with no manners or idea about running over your blanket with their muddley sandy feet...not once but 3 times....Ahhhhh.!!

Oh well...
 
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