Bit contentious - A Night Out

[LipoLisa]

Thanks for all your postings. I had read the 'drinking' posts too thanks Myk. Maybe I should have just had the 'accidental slip up' and then come on here for support ha ha.

Anyhow, I now have my plans all sorted, to come out of ketosis, enjoy the blip. Will be aware of my alcohol intake on the night and just enjoy. I am completely fine with no loss or even putting on a few pounds - i'll still weigh less than I did last month!

I'll let you know how it went!

 

[MYK_22]

I bet your looking forward to it!

Just class it as a reward as you know you'll be back on track soon enough! If I could do something like this and get back on track I'd be very tempted after a month or so!

Got me thinking about steak now though! lol

 

[LipoLisa]

Awe sorry about waving potential lovely food under your nose Myk. To be honest I have forgotten about the whole 'enjoy the meal' part as it's become more of a quest to just be able to let my hair down and be on the razz for the night - as safely as possible.

I gave myself until July to get to my target weight, so that'll still be do-able.

 

[MYK_22]

Its more than ok. I found it harder going for fish and chips for me mam and gran tonight. The smell almost drove me over the edge but i managed to rein it in! haha.

Its good to have a night out though! I haven't touched a drop of alcohol in over 9 weeks now and its getting harder by the week when I go out with my mates every wednesday and friday and I'm only on the water!

Really hope you enjoy yourself It'll be worth it and give you a big pick me up, and maybe a hangover that'll make you want to start again lol

 

[LilyG]

Lisa avoid the carbs if I were you and esp the steak-red meat is harder to digest.

I had a weekend where I drank- never my intention I only thought I could manage thhis for a max 6weeks but as the date got nearer I wanted to continue but I had my friends wedding and my Birthday.

I had a shake for breakfast and dinner but for lunch I had a 6oz piece of steamed chicken and 2 heaped tablespoons of vegetables. Really enjoyed it had a good few gin and tonics and was fine...keep drinking water too.

Next day I got back on TFR and following was the wedding where I had to eat as I pre booked months before I started this. That week I still lost 2lbs.

You have to be strong mentally I think as it was tempting to eat something the next day but once your back on its fine and you seem pretty determined with this.

Good luck.

 

[LipoLisa]

Hi LilyG, thanks for your contribution. But it is my understanding that I HAVE to have some carbs in order to come out of ketosis and therefore not putting myself in danger when I drink a few Vodkas.

Hear what you are saying about the red meat too. It was suggested to have an omlette the night before, and then a lunch with some carbs.

Oh mind you, wouldn't it be better if I didn't digest easily considering then that it would stay in my stomach longer so better for reducing the side effects of vodka.

 

[summergurl]

Thanks for all your postings. I had read the 'drinking' posts too thanks Myk. Maybe I should have just had the 'accidental slip up' and then come on here for support ha ha.

There are many of those posts and i for one cant be bothered to post in them as half the time my opinion isnt valued. So thats not to say everyone on here will 'support' you over a slip up but they will support you getting back onto TFR.

To be honest I have forgotten about the whole 'enjoy the meal' part as it's become more of a quest to just be able to let my hair down and be on the razz for the night - as safely as possible.

safely as poss .... refeed for a week = safest way

 

[LipoLisa]

Hear what you are saying summergurl, but going back to my original posting I know what works for me and in order to stay on my LT journey. So yes, the safest way, as you say, to drink is to re-feed for a week - but I wouldn't return to TFR after doing that. So for me everything would have been a waste of time.

I want my whole LT journey to stay on the right track for me - hence I stated right at the very begining that a re-feed wasn't the way to go for me.

I'll let you all know how it goes and thanks everyone for your constructive input on these threads and in private messages.

Lisa x

 

[crunchyfrog]

Summergurl is right. Its not about not letting someone have fun or let their hair down its all about staying safe.

After all we all know the dangers of staying in the sun all day and then having a few drinks. Its all about precautions so that you can still enjoy yourself without harming yourself.

It may sound like "oh but its only one night" but whats the rush? Keep safe. That's all anyone is advising that is done on here.

Refeed for a week may sound scary but once you have a good look at how it is done you will see that it is done for a reason and it isnt a case of jumping straight on the food wagon again. Its all about re-education and moderation.

Stay safe and have fun xx

 

[MYK_22]

I have no idea why a refeed for a week would be necessary. All thats doing is taking you out of ketosis which can be done in a matter of minutes. Having something on your stomach is different alltogether, and the refeed would allow this. But still. Not that much of a problem. Atkins dieters drink all the time and have no problem.

Personally if i where doing what you where doing I'd have cheese on an afternoon, may seem high in calories but fat on the stomach will help with the alcohol. Then just have whatever for the tea as your not bothered coming out of ketosis. Try cheese on toast. Will pull you out of ketosis and give you a decent lining for the night. I have absolutely no idea why people are recomending a full weeks refeed. And if anyone can back this up with technical details (and not anecdotal evidence) id be very interested.

 

[LipoLisa]

Refeed for a week may sound scary but once you have a good look at how it is done you will see that it is done for a reason and it isnt a case of jumping straight on the food wagon again. Its all about re-education and moderation. /QUOTE]

Hi Cruncy, I completely understand what refeeding is about and will look forward to do that when I have reached my goal weight. I don't find it scarey at all.

What I really don't want to do right now is eat food at all, but know I have to in order to bring me out of ketosis in order to have a night out in Easter where I will have some Vodka.

I do go out a lot socially (and have continued to do so whilst on LT), to pubs, over to the canteen at lunch time with work colleagues, to birthday celebrations, on dates with blokes etc etc - and I am fine with not eating and not drinking.

But the Easter evening out is a planned night out and I do intend to drink.

Thanks Myk, your last posting has really clarified stuff for me.

 

[MYK_22]

Best thing to slow the absorbption of alcohol is fat. Cheese actually used to be used by undercover spies before going to dinner parties to help them stay more sober.

If you had cheese on toast for dinner it would give you a reasonable lining (make sure to use lots o cheese ) and the carbohydrates in the bread would pull you out of ketosis for the night.

People on here seem to follow the lipotrim to the exact letter and anything that deters from it they think will make it not work. Quite contrary actually, the lipotrim diet is a general advice and can be shaped to how you want.

If you find this works for you then so be it. You know that its could be dangerous but as you know this youll be aware of what your doing more.

The refeed is ONLY their to stop you gaining glycogen and water. FACT. Their is no other reason for it. The slow introduction of carbohydrates is evidence of this. Its not to "slowly bring you out of ketosis" their is nothing that would do that. Your either in ketosis or not. End of.

Sorry if I'm being blunt here but its just the way it is. People seem to think that a refeed would be best for you without looking at the situation, realising that no matter what your going to do it anyway (lol) and then advising a weeks refeed to stop you gaining the liquid for one night... Well. Alcohol will dehydrate you anyway. You WILL put weight on from even the food being in your body, and nothing will stop that other than trying to prepare corectly for it.

A week refeed would not be beneficial in this instance. The only advantage would possibly be pulling out of ketosis the night before, and then carbing up during the day. And this isnt necessarily a bad thing as the PROPPER ketogenic diets, rather than VLC diets advise a carb up period while doing it to be safe.

No matter what, make sure that your safe. And as your aware of that and read about it, you'll be fine IMO. Just take it easy and have a good time

 

[summergurl]

MYK .... If everyone shaped it as they wanted it wouldnt bloomin work so well. The advice and details are there for a reason. If you are going to go round telling people to eat cheese (which is FULL of fat) then you are no use around here.

A week refeed is being suggested as its the safest way!!!!!
1. you will be fully out of ketosis
2. you will not gain weight by taking yourself straight out by eating cheese on bloomin toast!

Jees.

Fair enough if your night is planned. Be sensible. Be aware of the extreme dangers and be prepared for a weight gain. But dont say we didnt try to tell you and dont be disheartened if you do gain weight.

I hope you are safe whilst drinking alcohol and nothing happens to you as explained in the sticky about it.

Now i dont mean that to sound harsh but its blunt and to the point.

Im done with this thread, i have voiced my opinion and the facts but yet they have been drowned out by some know it all who advises eating cheese - of all things!

Have a nice night out.

 

[MYK_22]

SHE ISNT DOING A REFEED.

She's said that quite clearly. I'm giving her the safest way to go out and do what she wants. Their is NO REASON to do the refeed in her case. Their just isn't.

You keep on saying things that are quoted on the packing. Why are you doing that? People add pepper to the soups. IT STATES NOT TO. That is what i'm refering to with shaping it to how you want.

If people do shape it to how they want IT WILL WORK. I've lost 14lb this week while taking shakes and fat burners which it advises against. If you want to quote something, and know about nutrition, then go for it. If you are going to spout of things from the side of the pack then in this case its utterly pointless.

I used to work with gas turbines, sweating bucket loads. If i wasnt allowed more than 4 litres a day I'd probably die. The guidelines are their to be understood by GENERAL people. You cannot tell me that the guidelines would apply to everyone. Stop just quoting the pack.

You have lost a LOT of weight following it to the letter. You look fantastic. But just because you followed it to the letter doesnt mean that every other single person has to.

I'm not going to argue this any more. I'm giving advice. And it DOES NOT take a week to get out of ketosis. IT DOESNT. Eat a slice of bread and your out.

Stop giving advice from the pack and think about what your saying. Either that or go and read about things before just quoting. I'm not a know it all. I know what I know and ketosis and ketogenic diets in general are something I DO know about.

 

[LipoLisa]

Fair enough if your night is planned. Be sensible. Be aware of the extreme dangers and be prepared for a weight gain. But dont say we didnt try to tell you and dont be disheartened if you do gain weight.

I hope you are safe whilst drinking alcohol and nothing happens to you as explained in the sticky about it.

Gosh Summergurl, it's sounding as if you can't wait to do an 'I told you so!!' posting now.

Anyhow, like a good girl scout - I am feeling prepared.

 

[Smurfette]

Hi LipoLisa - just want to let you know my experience - i'm only doing this a week but the last few days have had me following this thread as going out is a huge part of my weekends and going out and not drinking is not really me! i know people will say its cheating and they are right but i worked hard alll week and i was pleased with my loss - one of friends birthdays was yesterday and we were celebrating last nite and tried my best to not do the eating thing but as i knew i would be drinking i thought it best to eat a little sthg for fear of all the things said in the Drinking Sticky... i ate chicken satay with a tiny bit of rice and i drank alcohol. yes i got drunk much quicker than normal but i survived. the hangover was not bad this morning by any means as if i had not been on LT i would probably have drank much more! i weighed myself this morning and i had 1 lb on. not impressed but my own choice. i started again today. i too know myself and know i cannot give up my socialising and for me that involves drinking! i applaud everyone who can give up food and not break it ever. i can do without the food and i probably could go without the drink but then i wouldnt go out and whats the point in being a skinnyminnie with no friends so knowing that it will affect the overall weightloss progress is something i'm okay with! have a great time at your easter blip! and sure get some practise in on paddy's day if you would like a trial run

 

[Predator]

Have a nice time Lisa and MYK... well said! lol

 

[summergurl]

But why would you want to deter from the 'programme'?

Isnt having weekends off, making excuses etc what got you to this point of doing an extreme diet in the first place???????????????????????????????????

 

[MYK_22]

As said previously. Most zero carb diets recomend a "carb up" period. One night off then getting back into it isnt going to do much harm and although you may see it as cheating others see it as a reward. You wont put back on a lot of weight - if any - and in the long run keeps the person happy.

I'm not saying I disagree with you on this though. I wouldnt do it, its not for me. But others find a bit of releife before getting back into the program handy.

 

[summergurl]

Thats fair enough, im merely trying to get across the 'goody too shoes' side.

Lipotrim doesnt reccomend a day/night off though