Cruising for Eternity
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Brownie_Earthquake
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TY 
Where I work people seem to get sick all the time, there's always something going around. It's just an added pain that it all revolves around what not to eat
Where I work people seem to get sick all the time, there's always something going around. It's just an added pain that it all revolves around what not to eat
Feel better fast.
Jo is better at saying it, but the bread and cheese are just a way to start adding carbs and fats back into your diet. I know Robin and Anja adjusted these to things that fitted better later on in conso (ricecakes, beans in soup).
Have a think about what you might be able to substitute if youve no desire for bread or cheese.
Jo is better at saying it, but the bread and cheese are just a way to start adding carbs and fats back into your diet. I know Robin and Anja adjusted these to things that fitted better later on in conso (ricecakes, beans in soup).
Have a think about what you might be able to substitute if youve no desire for bread or cheese.
dukandebut
Goat herder(ess)
Poor Brownie. Get well soon.
jaqys is right. Please substitute something similar for the bread and cheese. You really need to get your body used to intaking more carbs, etc, to get to the stabilisation stage. I know it's all very scary in the beginning, but it does work.
jaqys is right. Please substitute something similar for the bread and cheese. You really need to get your body used to intaking more carbs, etc, to get to the stabilisation stage. I know it's all very scary in the beginning, but it does work.
anjuschka
Dukan Ancestor!!
Hiya,
sorry I'm really late chipping in here - most has already been said and WELL DONE and of course GET BETTER QUICKLY!
Re: fruit list: all fruit EXCEPT the high-sugar/carb ones, which I seem to recall were: bananas, cherries, grapes, any dried fruit. No nuts at all though.
Carbs - yes if you're not keen on pasta or bread work your way though the list: rice, couscous, pulses, and of course as you already mention, tortillas etc are allowed.
Cheese: I suspect the main factor is reintroducing a controlled amount of FAT here. So instead of having 40gr of cheese that is 20% fat (or whatever hard cheese is approximately), why not have a look at cold meat items like salami or pate, and see if you can work out an approximation comparable fat content.
If you do it in little weekly increments, you should be able to work out what works and what doesn't. And ENJOY your meal out, you clearly deserve it!
sorry I'm really late chipping in here - most has already been said and WELL DONE and of course GET BETTER QUICKLY!
Re: fruit list: all fruit EXCEPT the high-sugar/carb ones, which I seem to recall were: bananas, cherries, grapes, any dried fruit. No nuts at all though.
Carbs - yes if you're not keen on pasta or bread work your way though the list: rice, couscous, pulses, and of course as you already mention, tortillas etc are allowed.
Cheese: I suspect the main factor is reintroducing a controlled amount of FAT here. So instead of having 40gr of cheese that is 20% fat (or whatever hard cheese is approximately), why not have a look at cold meat items like salami or pate, and see if you can work out an approximation comparable fat content.
If you do it in little weekly increments, you should be able to work out what works and what doesn't. And ENJOY your meal out, you clearly deserve it!
Brownie_Earthquake
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Thanks for the ideas
Loving the idea of the pate though, especially with wholemeal bread!
Incidently the book does state that nuts are allowed as part of conso, it's listed alongside the fruit section.
It says 'nuts (walnuts, almonds, pistachios, peanuts, cashews)' I don't know if that means that those are the nuts that are or are not allowed?
My friends on the diet have been having almonds and baking with ground almonds a lot since they moved onto conso. Some of those parts of the book are a little confusing.
I read on the Dukanaute site that coconut is also OK, wondering if that includes dessicated and creamed, too.
So fed up of being bed bound, especially midday. As for now I am having boiled water and apple-juice icecubes Someone kindly brought me Goji Berry juice too!
When I brave food again, I have been medically recommended whitebread, potatoes, white rice, Rich Teas and pasta - so I have no option but to bring the carb portion in!
Loving the idea of the pate though, especially with wholemeal bread!
Incidently the book does state that nuts are allowed as part of conso, it's listed alongside the fruit section.
It says 'nuts (walnuts, almonds, pistachios, peanuts, cashews)' I don't know if that means that those are the nuts that are or are not allowed?
My friends on the diet have been having almonds and baking with ground almonds a lot since they moved onto conso. Some of those parts of the book are a little confusing.
I read on the Dukanaute site that coconut is also OK, wondering if that includes dessicated and creamed, too.
So fed up of being bed bound, especially midday. As for now I am having boiled water and apple-juice icecubes
Someone kindly brought me Goji Berry juice too!When I brave food again, I have been medically recommended whitebread, potatoes, white rice, Rich Teas and pasta - so I have no option but to bring the carb portion in!
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In the French (original) book, he says: "all fruit are authorised, except bananas, grapes, cherries and dried fruit (walnuts, hazelnuts, peanuts, almonds, pistachios or cachew nuts)". So no nuts, except as part of a gala meal.
I (French) googled coconut and see that he is now allowing in Conso 40g per WEEK dessicated coconut. The person who posted that specified "no ground almonds". (In France, there are often "updates" from people who have paid to consult him in his office - so advice found this way on internet could be ill adapted for everyone and just recommended for one person in specific circumstances.)
For starch, he recommends (at least at the outset) to choose wholemeal pasta as he says it's the best adapted to our cause at that time. We all found 200g cooked weight excessive, mind.
Sorry to hear you're unwell though!
I (French) googled coconut and see that he is now allowing in Conso 40g per WEEK dessicated coconut. The person who posted that specified "no ground almonds". (In France, there are often "updates" from people who have paid to consult him in his office - so advice found this way on internet could be ill adapted for everyone and just recommended for one person in specific circumstances.)
For starch, he recommends (at least at the outset) to choose wholemeal pasta as he says it's the best adapted to our cause at that time. We all found 200g cooked weight excessive, mind.
Sorry to hear you're unwell though!
dukandebut
Goat herder(ess)
anjuschka
Dukan Ancestor!!
Thanks for that Jo, yes I double-checked the (english) book too and the sentence reads (from memory):
You can eat all fruit EXCEPT bananas, cherries, raisins (I think they mean grapes, translation error!), dried fruit, nuts (walnuts, almonds etc etc).
So there is no question, nuts are OFF the menu for conso.
You can eat all fruit EXCEPT bananas, cherries, raisins (I think they mean grapes, translation error!), dried fruit, nuts (walnuts, almonds etc etc).
So there is no question, nuts are OFF the menu for conso.
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Brownie_Earthquake
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Still confused about this, at least down to how it's phrased in the book, so I've re-typed it in full:
Rationed to one fruit a day, you are now allowed to eat all fruit, except bananas, grapes, cherries, dried fruits and nuts (walnuts, peanuts, almonds, pistachios and cashews).
Now I took this to mean on conso we would be allowed all fruit except bananas etc. and we would be allowed nuts - all the ones as listed above in the book, so all other nuts i.e. brazil, hazel, macadamia etc. would be banned. Otherwise why list specific nuts if they're all banned?
See where I am losing the thread there
Interesting note regarding the consultations - I wondered where some of the more random additions came from.
Thanks again for the replies. Actually going to brave some pasta later
Rationed to one fruit a day, you are now allowed to eat all fruit, except bananas, grapes, cherries, dried fruits and nuts (walnuts, peanuts, almonds, pistachios and cashews).
Now I took this to mean on conso we would be allowed all fruit except bananas etc. and we would be allowed nuts - all the ones as listed above in the book, so all other nuts i.e. brazil, hazel, macadamia etc. would be banned. Otherwise why list specific nuts if they're all banned?
See where I am losing the thread there
Interesting note regarding the consultations - I wondered where some of the more random additions came from.
Thanks again for the replies. Actually going to brave some pasta later
anjuschka
Dukan Ancestor!!
Good question indeed but personally I think it's just as an 'example' as peanuts are technically not nuts (I think?), and some nuts are not always referred to as nuts (ie 'cashews', 'pistacios').
In any case on the French list all nuts are banned before Stab - it just lists 'nuts' and 'hazelnuts', and dessicated coconut is limited to 40gr once a week in Conso. LIGHT coconut milk is allowed as a tolerated item 10cl once a week from Cruise.
Creamed coconut (very fatty) is not mentioned but out of the question before Stab I think.
Tous les aliments Dukan autorisés, interdits, tolérés et les adjuvants pour cuisiner - Recettes Dukan pour le Régime Dukan
Anything not on the list, assume it's not allowed.
Brownie_Earthquake
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Thanks for the clarification. There are a couple of passages in the book that are confsing - whether it's just poorly written or poorly translated, it sometimes seems a little contradictory - i.e. page 120 'now allowed Swiss Cheese' page 122 'avoid Swiss Cheese'.
I'd been using the Dukanaute site for reference lately, but there are some inclusions in the book that are omitted from the site list - so I just want to be sure of any unlisted inclusions!
Incidently, I have a question about the addition of types of bean to the diet, if anyone has any further knowledge:
An unspecified amount of beans are allowed once a week as a starch portion, if I am correct. How about pinto/refried beans?
http://www.ocado.com/webshop/product/Wholesome-Pinto-Beans-Waitrose/33803011
Old El Paso Refried Beans (435g) in Tesco | mySupermarket
http://www.ocado.com/webshop/product/Discovery-Refried-Beans/13660011
The ingredients in the prepared tinned variety look OK to me, and I assume that pinto beans are considered OK too. I would always avoid tinned products but refried beans are a real pain to make! Do we think these are acceptable as a once a week starch portion?
Feeling quite a bit better today, still not 100% - taking a while to recover from the dehydration, and have had quite a lot of frozen fruit juice - preferable to rehydration treatments.
As for my pasta - I had a simple, plain old bowl of salted penne - and it was incredible! Wasn't hungry at all but it was amazing how good that tasted after a year!
I'd been using the Dukanaute site for reference lately, but there are some inclusions in the book that are omitted from the site list - so I just want to be sure of any unlisted inclusions!
Incidently, I have a question about the addition of types of bean to the diet, if anyone has any further knowledge:
An unspecified amount of beans are allowed once a week as a starch portion, if I am correct. How about pinto/refried beans?
http://www.ocado.com/webshop/product/Wholesome-Pinto-Beans-Waitrose/33803011
Old El Paso Refried Beans (435g) in Tesco | mySupermarket
http://www.ocado.com/webshop/product/Discovery-Refried-Beans/13660011
The ingredients in the prepared tinned variety look OK to me, and I assume that pinto beans are considered OK too. I would always avoid tinned products but refried beans are a real pain to make! Do we think these are acceptable as a once a week starch portion?
Feeling quite a bit better today, still not 100% - taking a while to recover from the dehydration, and have had quite a lot of frozen fruit juice - preferable to rehydration treatments.
As for my pasta - I had a simple, plain old bowl of salted penne - and it was incredible! Wasn't hungry at all but it was amazing how good that tasted after a year!
anjuschka
Dukan Ancestor!!
Ohh you are a much closer reader than me - re the Swiss cheese!!
Glad the hear you enjoyed the pasta - sounds like you're on the mend - slowly?
Tinned beans etc: I personally assumed that a portion is like a pasta portion (ie ~200gr cooked weight, I usually have less, esp when they are part of a vegetable dish), and I have only had tinned in water and home-cooked in water ones. I have no experience about refried beans. Are they really FRIED? As they both have less than 1% fat they should be okay? But one lists Sunflower oil in the ingredients? PINTO beans as per first link are certainly okay. the 'old el paso' look a lot worse than the 'discovery' ones, those contain a fair bit of sugar too.
Glad the hear you enjoyed the pasta - sounds like you're on the mend - slowly?
Tinned beans etc: I personally assumed that a portion is like a pasta portion (ie ~200gr cooked weight, I usually have less, esp when they are part of a vegetable dish), and I have only had tinned in water and home-cooked in water ones. I have no experience about refried beans. Are they really FRIED? As they both have less than 1% fat they should be okay? But one lists Sunflower oil in the ingredients? PINTO beans as per first link are certainly okay. the 'old el paso' look a lot worse than the 'discovery' ones, those contain a fair bit of sugar too.
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I compared the pinto beans to a normal haricot bean and they have half again carb amount at 64g to 45g... whether you can just have fewer, I have no idea!
The other two, again, no idea. Remember it's a French diet so the foods recommended are those the French eat, I guess!
The other two, again, no idea. Remember it's a French diet so the foods recommended are those the French eat, I guess!
robinhood
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I have pulses a lot - green puy lentils, haricot beans, have even (shock) had tinned baked beans in tomato sauce, tsk.
Much prefer them to pasta, etc. Tbh, 200gr cooked weight is a lot - it's a fair bit for your 'no longer used to stodge' tum to accommodate especially as they're usually to accompany your main meal rather than being the main meal themselves.
Much prefer them to pasta, etc. Tbh, 200gr cooked weight is a lot - it's a fair bit for your 'no longer used to stodge' tum to accommodate especially as they're usually to accompany your main meal rather than being the main meal themselves.
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Brownie_Earthquake
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I realised when I weighed the pasta ration that 200g is a huge amount; I couldn't imagine eating 200g of beans, refried or otherwise!
The only issue with them is that to make yourself, they require overnight soaking and then boiling before you fry them. I suppose if it's a once a week thing it's not really a big deal, I just hoped they'd be acceptable - this may be engineered for a French diet but I do love a good Mexican
I am tentatively on the mend, I think if only because this time I had the foresight to fast for 36 hours! At least I managed to spend time recuperating in the sun, maybe I'll get a serotonin boost, ha!
The only issue with them is that to make yourself, they require overnight soaking and then boiling before you fry them. I suppose if it's a once a week thing it's not really a big deal, I just hoped they'd be acceptable - this may be engineered for a French diet but I do love a good Mexican
I am tentatively on the mend, I think if only because this time I had the foresight to fast for 36 hours! At least I managed to spend time recuperating in the sun, maybe I'll get a serotonin boost, ha!
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** Chief WITCH **
200g cooked weight for pasta, yes?
