Ah thanks i appreciate that MFP is good even if you can't weigh a lot of entries are done by average serving size etc to be honest I haven't found another one that is any good, I am feeling positive now just wish I hadn't let one of the stones creep back on otherwise I would nearly be at goal, I think the real key to this is not the loosing bit we all know what we need to do its the keeping it off and living your life stress and celebrations and all !