Moonwatcher's JUDDD diary

So, DD today. Feeling a bit rough as I woke up with a sore throat etc., this morning. Think I'm getting another cold on top of the whooping cough again. :( Have also got a pretty bad back - think the coughing is partly to blame. Anyway, that is the moaning over, the food was as follows...

Breakfast - water
Lunch - WW Tomato soup and a Morrison's School apple fruit bar (141 cals)
Dinner - Tesco Finest smoked haddock, cheese and wholegrain mustard fishcake with lettuce, beetroot and a little salad cream. (356 cals)

Drinks -- water, earl grey rose, jasmine and plain teas, no milk, can diet cloudy lemonade (3 or 4 cals, can is now in bin outside, so not sure)

Cals today 500 or 501, depending on the diet lemonade.
 
You've done really well!! Hope are feeling better soon!! Upday today and tomorrow for me dd Sunday :(
Thanks. Two up days for me now - Saturday and Sunday. Do love the up weekends! Not sure I could do a down day on a Sunday, unless my OH was away.
 
So WI this morning, hold the drum roll...STS

I am ok about it in a resigned sort of way! I lose slowly and not very regularly whichever diet I am on. At the moment I can't imagine going back to the restrictions that WW has in comparison to JUDDD but the point of the game is to lose weight and in the whole of February I have lost only 1.5 lbs. :( On the other hand my attitude to food is definitely improving: on Wednesday I thought about food so little that I actually forgot whether I was on an up or down day!

I wanted my up days to be self regulating, ie to not have to be counting calories every day, and in a way I suppose they have worked out like that, as overall there is a loss not a gain, but I do want faster losses than less than half a pound a week, so it looks like I either have to count every day, or accept really slow losses. Off to re-read the book in a mo. Hmmmmm.
 
Hmmm, as you say a STS isn't an out of the ordinary result but obviously you were hoping for something a bit better understandably. Food is still sounding lovely and its great that you have managed to change how to see food so much and the choices you are making but completely understand wanting faster losses.

I'm at a bit of an impasse with the plan at the moment as well. I didn't officially weigh in this morning as we left early to go walking but the scales are suggesting that this week's result will be a gain. Which I am less than impressed with. I really like this way of eating and the psychological changes it has brought, like you, but do want it to result in weight loss and I am probably facing two weeks of STSs and a gain after my initial double loss. Its probably not the plan. I don't seem to be able to lose whatever I do but it has left me with not really knowing where to turn. I considered calorie counting up days but I think for me that would make this plan lose all the appeal. I HATE strict calorie counting and I think it would make this plan lose most of its appeal if I had to do that. Will be interested to see if doing that for you makes much different though. I might have to reconsider my position on 7 day a week calorie counting if it does.
 
Hmmm, as you say a STS isn't an out of the ordinary result but obviously you were hoping for something a bit better understandably. Food is still sounding lovely and its great that you have managed to change how to see food so much and the choices you are making but completely understand wanting faster losses.

I'm at a bit of an impasse with the plan at the moment as well. I didn't officially weigh in this morning as we left early to go walking but the scales are suggesting that this week's result will be a gain. Which I am less than impressed with. I really like this way of eating and the psychological changes it has brought, like you, but do want it to result in weight loss and I am probably facing two weeks of STSs and a gain after my initial double loss. Its probably not the plan. I don't seem to be able to lose whatever I do but it has left me with not really knowing where to turn. I considered calorie counting up days but I think for me that would make this plan lose all the appeal. I HATE strict calorie counting and I think it would make this plan lose most of its appeal if I had to do that. Will be interested to see if doing that for you makes much different though. I might have to reconsider my position on 7 day a week calorie counting if it does.
Yep it is a swine this dieting. I don't want to calorie count every day either, but I have noticed a lot of people on the board do have to count their up days. I was talking (moaning!) about it to the OH earlier and saying how all I wanted was half a pound to a pound loss a week, regularly, which I don't feel is too much to ask for!


I have put my cals into mfp today, and after dinner they will be 2105, which is a bit up on the recommended levels, but then I eat more on my weekends than on my two up days in the week. Whatever, I am not losing very fast. OH reminded me that I haven't been exercising either because of the cough. So I'm going to plod on for now. I think I will put my food into mfp at the end of each day this week, to see what they come to - not calorie counting in advance as such, but maybe the fact that I'm going to record it later might make me rein it in a bit! I'm also going to hunt out a couple of CDs - one is the Paul Mckenna one and another similar one by somebody else, to try and work on it that way too. Got to be worth a try.
 
The counting at the end of the day seems like a good compromise actually. I might even consider doing that this week. Would be interested how the calories work out on my days. I guess its time to try and remember my myfitnesspal login details.
 
Yep it is a swine this dieting. I don't want to calorie count every day either, but I have noticed a lot of people on the board do have to count their up days. I was talking (moaning!) about it to the OH earlier and saying how all I wanted was half a pound to a pound loss a week, regularly, which I don't feel is too much to ask for!


I have put my cals into mfp today, and after dinner they will be 2105, which is a bit up on the recommended levels, but then I eat more on my weekends than on my two up days in the week. Whatever, I am not losing very fast. OH reminded me that I haven't been exercising either because of the cough. So I'm going to plod on for now. I think I will put my food into mfp at the end of each day this week, to see what they come to - not calorie counting in advance as such, but maybe the fact that I'm going to record it later might make me rein it in a bit! I'm also going to hunt out a couple of CDs - one is the Paul Mckenna one and another similar one by somebody else, to try and work on it that way too. Got to be worth a try.

MFP is often not correct and sometimes underestimates calories by a considerable amount. Also you can find the same food with different calories on there which is confusing. I've found when I stall on JUDDD it's cos I underestimated my eating on UD. I've also found - pain that it is - that unless I put food into a calorie counter ( I use Spark People now) as I eat it I forget. After a while you will find you can judge more or less what you are eating without strictly counting. It's worth measuring yourself cos I've found when the losses have been slow I've still lost inches. xx
 
MFP is often not correct and sometimes underestimates calories by a considerable amount. Also you can find the same food with different calories on there which is confusing. I've found when I stall on JUDDD it's cos I underestimated my eating on UD. I've also found - pain that it is - that unless I put food into a calorie counter ( I use Spark People now) as I eat it I forget. After a while you will find you can judge more or less what you are eating without strictly counting. It's worth measuring yourself cos I've found when the losses have been slow I've still lost inches. xx
Yes I have noticed those double entries on there - I try to check against the packaging (if there is any!) I'm going to jot down what I eat as I eat it, but not record it with calories until the evening, for this week at least. After years of calorie counting I can usually guess pretty accurately. I do have a Spark People account so will have another look at that too. At this rate though I'll be drawing my pension before I get to target!
 
Sorry the scales are not cooperating moonwatcher, it really is a bugger when that happens, to be quite honest I've found I have to watch the calories during the week, I don't dream of counting the weekends though, thats the best compromise I can come up with.
 
Sorry the scales are not cooperating moonwatcher, it really is a bugger when that happens, to be quite honest I've found I have to watch the calories during the week, I don't dream of counting the weekends though, thats the best compromise I can come up with.
I was thinking about that a few minutes ago as another option. I really want to make this work for me as in every other way it is just right, so I will persevere 'til I work it out!
 
I am sure with such a positive attitude to it you will work it all out so it works. I guess calorie counting isn't something you have to do forever as after a while you will automatically be able to know fairly accurate values for most things, and that would probably be enough for up day counting.

I have to say I do think its a little depressing that most people seem to have to count calories on up days to get consistent losses :( That is very much missed out in the "big sell" of this diet.
 
I am sure with such a positive attitude to it you will work it all out so it works. I guess calorie counting isn't something you have to do forever as after a while you will automatically be able to know fairly accurate values for most things, and that would probably be enough for up day counting.

I have to say I do think its a little depressing that most people seem to have to count calories on up days to get consistent losses :( That is very much missed out in the "big sell" of this diet.

I absolutely agree with you 100%, I read a short statement from someone doing the 5:2 diet recently, she said the losses stop, so you move to alternate day fasting, the losses stop, you up the exercise, the losses stop, you start counting calories.....
 
Yeah, that does seem to be the pattern :( There is a small mention in the 5:2 diet about naturally eating less and less if you stay on the plan but, to me, that is portrayed as an incidental occurance and not the thing that determines whether the losses continue. I think that might be a little misleading as it appears that most people have to quite consciously eat less overall.
Don't get me wrong I think there are definite benefits to this intermittent fasting business. I think it does alter most people's psychological perception of food and hunger in quite a positive way and I am interested in some of the potetial health benefits but I am not sure it is the "miracle cure" for weight loss it is sometimes claimed as. Although this is probably skewed by my great bitterness this week at receving a gain at weigh in!
 
It is a depressing thought to think we may have to continue doing more and more, to benefit less and less! I would put money on it (if I had any!) that there isn't a single 'diet' book out there that tells it exactly like it is though, more's the pity.
 
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I absolutely agree with you 100%, I read a short statement from someone doing the 5:2 diet recently, she said the losses stop, so you move to alternate day fasting, the losses stop, you up the exercise, the losses stop, you start counting calories.....

Oh how depressing - so we are all heading to calorie counting then?
 
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