Not good....very sad me!

[Saska]

Yes Onken is ok, it needs to be either 0.1 or 0% fat and very low in carbs as well, it can be fat free but full of sugar as with the fruit yogurts if you don't check carbs as well

I have to say I think you're being a bit tough on the Dukan book! I know it says extra light cream cheese but it doesn't mention a brand and its just bad luck that it's the name Philly give its low fat cream cheese. If you read the ingredients for EXL philly its 5% carbs and 4.7% fat which means it clearly breaks the rules. Its really the fault of the manufacturers who want you to believe its always good if it says 0% fat, you need to check the labels yourself and its probably easier to stick to what you know.

Onwards and upwards

OK tks for the info on the Onken...I wont bin it!

I still think the book is wrong. Maybe to someone experienced in the Dukan diet but for a newbie to read the page of foods OK to eat then I took that as read. It should be in the tolerated section or maybe a * by it denoting check label as according to brands as the content may vary which they most certainly did with the Philly. I have eaten non for the last two days and the scales dropped another 2 lb this morning so it's obvious I ate the wrong food on the OK to eat list. Anyway, as a newbie to the diet I feel it is very, very misleading.

Tks again for your advice, always welcome! Have a great day, Saska

 

[anjuschka]

OK tks for the info on the Onken...I wont bin it!

I still think the book is wrong. Maybe to someone experienced in the Dukan diet but for a newbie to read the page of foods OK to eat then I took that as read. It should be in the tolerated section or maybe a * by it denoting check label as according to brands as the content may vary which they most certainly did with the Philly. I have eaten non for the last two days and the scales dropped another 2 lb this morning so it's obvious I ate the wrong food on the OK to eat list. Anyway, as a newbie to the diet I feel it is very, very misleading.

Tks again for your advice, always welcome! Have a great day, Saska

Yes I had a thought about that, how could it possibly be listed as ok - I wonder if that edition was revised especially to cater to the US market - they have a lot more 'fat-free' things there, including fat free cream cheese and fat free ricotta. 'Fat-Free' by the way is a technical desorption that is allowed for food that are less than 1%(?). Completely fat free is technically probably not possible but 0.1 is absolutely okay and I have been a fair bit of Sainsbury BGTY cottage cheese during my main cruise period and I think that is somewhere below 2% fat, but it never cause problems for me...

The extra-lite Philly and any other extra-low fat Cream cheese available have always been tolerateds - max 2 TB per day in cruise if you are not having any other tolerated items.

Oh and the fat-free yoghurt, there is another trap here in the flavoured yoghurt - after all in at least one book 'vanilla' and 'lemon' ones are allowed, whereas fruit yoghurt are generally not recommended. HOWEVER, most flavoured yoghurt on the British market (like the fat free Onken or activia) contain SUGAR and are a definite no-nos (another trap I feel into when *I* started). Sounds like you're sticking to plain and flavouring it yourself which is much safer. Somewhere a long time ago I read a French list that gave the list of flavoured yoghurt available in France that were permitted. the brand is 'Sveltesse', they are fat free and use sweetener not sugar and then the deciding criteria appeared to be 'less than 40 cal per 100gr'

Good luck you're doing great! And don't worry about the losses too much - the figures on the scale it can stall or go up for a few days, that's not unusual. If you know you've not strayed, then the weight WILL come off - as you have just found (so the Philly might not be the only factor here). If you weigh every day then the loss curve will definitely be a zig-zag pattern.

 

[Saska]

Tks and you are absolutely correct....I should not weigh every day but felt I wanted to in the attack phase just to five me some motivation to keep going

Although I spend a lot of time in the US I ordered the book a couple of mths ago or maybe 3 mths when I was in the UK from Amazon UK. It has a price on the back in £ sterling and can't find anything that would tie it to another country. It is strange though and so misleading for Dukan newbies. Had I not have weighed myself daily during that period I would not have realized the daily lb's going on...scary or what?!

I actually am a bit strange in that I don't care for flavoured foods ie flavoured water/yoghurts .....so plain is the way for me.

Thank you for all the advice which has been noted. Take care, Saska x