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A few people do have that affect of orlistat with eggs :) So perhaps you're one of those. Either way I'm so glad it worked for you! :)

If it helps, for the past week the mother (who has a horendous history of not going to the toilet for days on end - once to the point where all hell broke loose a few months back where the toxins in her body sent her properly doolally) and I have been taking a 0% fat actimel (£2 for 10 in Asda) daily. They have been AMAZING and we've practically broken the toilet everysingleday by uh... going.

For the first 6 weeks of my diet I had a serious issue being able to go at any time (where I used to go 3 or 4 times a day when on naughty food!) too so I'm hoping it will all sort itself out for you as soon as now you've finally passed the backlog :D (no pun intended!)


Ahem. Sorry for the tmi ;)
 
How you getting on caz? Xx
 
Hi there!

I'm doing ok thanks. Not been on cos rowing with hubby and a bit fed up. He was lovely after what happened but now, not so much. Enough said.

Still sticking to it 100% Still no more toilet trips though. Don't feel backed up so maybe it's my new normal. Will have that peanut butter tomorrow if I must 'sigh' will be such a hardship - NOT! lol.

Sneaky peak on the scales again and 1lb has dropped. Not official yet though I'm learning the new number's not true until it's been there a few days!

How are you?

Princess, thank you! I will get some of those and give it a try. I'm amazed I'm not going still. I think it must be cos I'm eating so much less. My fat intake should be fine now and I'm drinking and getting fibre. I don't feel constipated, I just don't need to go. So, I'm guessing things are just slowing down now not so much is going in. I can handle going less if it's just that, it's when it's proper constipation, I hate it. Good thing I know how to handle it now;)

Oh, the things we talk about - love it lol! Never tmi, nothing like that phases me in the slightest lol.

I'm just plodding along, adjusting well to the changes in my life, fretting about my marriage and money but trying to stay positive. Some days I manage it, others not so much. Today's a 'not so much' day.

I'm just focussing on doing all I can to help myself and hoping the other stuff will sort itself out.

Hope you're all doing great!

Caz x
 
We are definitely classy ladies ;)

Drinking a lot is a good idea - squashes/water etc help keep you regular and help shift weight too as your body gets used to being regularly hydrated and doesn't have to cling onto the bit that it does get.

Hope you're feeling a bit easier now hun xx
 
Yes thanks hun. Going to get some actimel tonight. I really should take something like that anyway as I'm on permanent low dose antibiotics for yet another health problem. My gut could probably do with some healthy stuff lol.

Thanks for the suggestion.

Caz x
 
Thank you!

Caz x
 
I drink tons of water always have and the only time I ever had toilet problems was when I was pregnant so drinking the fluids must help deffo xx
 
Thanks Waffle :) I'm on about 5 pints of sugar free squash and about 6 mugs of tea so I'm sloshing lol.

I think it might have something to do with the surgery I had as a kid. It was a big problem for many years. I thought it had sorted itself in recent years but it must have just been the amount of rubbish I was eating lol.

I'm starting to think it's just my normal.

If I take all this great advice though, it can only help.

Thanks
Caz x
 
Thanks Waffle :) I'm on about 5 pints of sugar free squash and about 6 mugs of tea so I'm sloshing lol. I think it might have something to do with the surgery I had as a kid. It was a big problem for many years. I thought it had sorted itself in recent years but it must have just been the amount of rubbish I was eating lol. I'm starting to think it's just my normal. If I take all this great advice though, it can only help. Thanks Caz x

Deffo maybe we should change the subject now haha, halloween Friday lol used to love it but drives me mad now with dog barking! Xx
 
Lol. It's the big tub of Halloween sweets that are taunting me and I'm not even a sweetie eater, it was always choc for me.

What dog do you have? How old?

I have an 18month old black lab called Sasha. She's gorgeous, fun and so loving. We nick named her springbok cos the minute she sees her lead she leaps in the air so high she smacks hubby in the face...and he's 5ft10! Total loon. She's going to be a permanent puppy cos she's tiny for a lab. Beautiful though.

I'm dreading bonfire night, she hates the fireworks.

Will be taking our boy trick or treating. There aren't many houses near us that bother but it's just enough for a 20 min outing and a decent haul of sweets for him. He's dressing as a zombie. Typical nearly 10 yr old lol.

You've got it all to come with your little one. Will you dress her up? A little pumpkin?

DS was a spider on his first Halloween, I still have the costume!

Caz x
 
Can I have a moan please?

Really upset today. The scales have gone up again. I'm going to be really lucky to lose just 1lb this week. Looks like it's going to be 0.5lb again. I can't keep going like this. I need to see the dr before I crack but hubby can't get time to take me. So I need to hang in there til my nurses appointment on Tuesday.

I'm so close to giving up. I expected this kind of weight loss later on but not at the start. Something's wrong and I'm really unhappy.

It feels like the rest of the world is rewarded for their efforts by seeing the numbers drop. For me I just pretty much stay the same BUT I have to diet just to not gain weight. Now that's depressing. I'm busting a gut just to stay the same.

And I've got an infected toe again - so pee'd off! I have very deep curved toenails and I know they need to be removed as any minor knock to them, filing them, clipping them, all splits the skin and causes pain and infection. I just keep dressing them and putting it off cos my go is dealing with so much other stuff with me it seems insignificant, hurts though. Plus I don't want to lose the nails. No more sandals if they do it permanently and they probably would cos it's in the family and my brother has no big toenails - gross!

I'm due for my oral thrush to come back. Sorry this is horrible but he picked something up from 'her' and passed it to me. Due to stress and ill health ive had recurrent oral thrush ever since. I've seen a specialist and no one can understand why it comes back within a month of treatment. I don't get one pill or even a week of 50mg pills. I get a fortnight's worth of 150mg pills then a months worth of drops to keep it at bay. All's fine then a month later it returns. I've been tested for everything. All negative. It's so bad they were seriously concerned it might be HIV at one point! Thank God I already knew it wasn't after my degrading trip to the sti clinic after his affair - unprotected and then he slept with me. I could end up with liver damage due to the constant treatment, all because he couldn't say no.

I'm sick of being in pain, sick of all my health problems, sick of trying to lose weight and getting nowhere, sick of trying to save my marriage - sick of it all.

I shouldn't complain, lots of people have it worse. It's just like my body is fighting me with constant infections and never working the way it should, even when I'm doing all the right things.

So why bother? I feel like giving up on it all.

So sorry to pour it all out on you guys but I'm really low and struggling. If the weight would come off like it's supposed to at least that would give me something positive to focus on but it looks like I don't even get that much.

Oh woe is me - sorry all. Pity party over.
Caz x
 
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Arrggghhh!

Hubby spoke to GP on the phone for me (I can't use the phone) to beg for metformin cos my weight loss is so slow. He told her I wasn't losing so of course she now thinks I haven't lost a pound. She wants me to wait until my weigh in and then she will see me and discuss my options.

Soooo, of course I am going to have my weigh in, it will show a 5/6lb loss (I'm at 5 lbs down as of this morning and have a week to go) and she will say I'm doing great and don't need to change meds. I will explain I lost it pretty much all in the first week and since then it's barely moving. She will ask me to give it another month so she can see that for herself. Then she will consider metformin!


So I have another 5 weeks of dieting and getting nowhere before I can get any help. that might actually work. Then it will be another month as you have to introduce metformin 1 pill a week so it's 3-4 weeks before you're on the proper dose.

So I'm looking at a 2 month delay before I can start losing weight effectively.

I highly doubt she will take my word for it about how the weight loss is so slow and change my meds.

If I wasn't incapable of lying I would stop the orlistat and stuff my face for the next week so it looks like I have lost nothing and then she would give me the stuff I need. I can't do that though, it's not in my nature.

Ugh, think I'm going to hibernate for a few days. I'm so fed up. It just means it's all going to take so much longer than it needs to.

Maybe I just need to accept a half pound loss a week but it feels way too slow and soul destroying.

Any ideas?

Caz x
 
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Arrggghhh! Hubby spoke to GP on the phone for me (I can't use the phone) to beg for metformin cos my weight loss is so slow. He told her I wasn't losing so of course she now thinks I haven't lost a pound. She wants me to wait until my weigh in and then she will see me and discuss my options. Soooo, of course I am going to have my weigh in, it will show a 5/6lb loss (I'm at 5 lbs down as of this morning and have a week to go) and she will say I'm doing great and don't need to change meds. I will explain I lost it pretty much all in the first week and since then it's barely moving. She will ask me to give it another month so she can see that for herself. Then she will consider metformin! So I have another 5 weeks of dieting and getting nowhere before I can get any help. that might actually work. Then it will be another month as you have to introduce metformin 1 pill a week so it's 3-4 weeks before you're on the proper dose. So I'm looking at a 2 month delay before I can start losing weight effectively. I highly doubt she will take my word for it about how the weight loss is so slow and change my meds. If I wasn't incapable of lying I would stop the orlistat and stuff my face for the next week so it looks like I have lost nothing and then she would give me the stuff I need. I can't do that though, it's not in my nature. Ugh, think I'm going to hibernate for a few days. I'm so fed up. It just means it's all going to take so much longer than it needs to. Maybe I just need to accept a half pound loss a week but it feels way too slow and soul destroying. Any ideas? Caz x

It's hard to say really, it's hard to know what you tablets are doing and how much impact they are having on the whole weight loss thing!
We can help with ideas what to do with diet, maybe you could try putting your full food diary for a week on here so we can see if there's anything we think you can do in terms of that?
I think it would maybe be better for you if you only got weighed once a week and get your hubby to hide the scales the rest of the time coz you are rollercoastering at the minute, would at least then mean it's only one downer a week, plus it might surprise you one week! How many calories a day are you doing? Xx
 
Hi hun,

It's really hard to explain or understand how metformin works. All I know is it has something to do with insulin resistance and the imbalance of those hormones unbalance all the other hormones and cause havoc. I was put on it as a trial drug back in 2004 after having polycystic ovaries seen on a scan when we were having fertility treatment. I was sure I had it but I was seeing a useless doctor who wouldn't entertain the idea. I only had about 3 periods a year, was overweight, had facial hair and acne etc etc. When it was seen on the scan he couldn't deny it any more and I was referred to a lovely endocrinologist who confirmed it and offered to put me on a trial. They were just starting to put women, who couldn't conceive due to pcos, on it. It's actually a diabetic drug but as insulin resistance is in the same family they were trying it.

After 5 years of clomid and ivf....I was pregnant in 3 months! Dream come true.

So, it clearly works. Anyway, the bigger you are the more out of whack your hormones get so he asked me to try and lose weight to help the pills do there thing. It came off quite quickly. So it does work. After having DS I came off them as I didn't want anymore children due to my mental health problems. He wanted me to stay on them as they help with so many things for pcos sufferers but I had tummy problems and thought it was the pills so I said no.

Many months later, still having tummy problems I realised it was milk and not the pills - typical! But as didn't want anymore kids I didn't bother going back on them. He did say I could go back on them at any time.

Looking back I can see that I was exactly the same weight, 1 week after having ds as I was when I conceived 11 stone. It was when I came off them and went on anti d's that the weight went on. I can't help but wonder which was the culprit. Anyway the bigger you are with pcos the harder it is to shift it. The smaller you are, the easier, the imbalance gets worse as you get bigger.

It's not my diet that's the problem as I am religious about recording every single calorie and I don't go over 15/1600 and am exercising. It's either my psych meds - which I have just found out apparently put weight on cos they too cause insulin resistance, or my PCOS which does the same.

It must be that! Every time they test me for diabetes I come back borderline, my mum, nan, brother are all type 2 diabetics. My mum also has pcos.

They don't like prescribing it if you're not diabetic but it's so annoying when I know for a fact the dr wrote to my gp saying I can go back on it anytime and that I fit all the criteria. It's cos it's an off label use even though it's been used for PCOS at least since I was on the trial, it's common treatment these days as it provides so many health benefits to pcos ladies. It reduces cholesterol, reduces risk of diabetes, regulates your cycle, helps with skin problems and thinning hair, reduces heart disease etc all the things we are at high risk for. And of course it makes magic little metformin babies, I know of three personally!

So, I'm on 15/1600 cals. Have upped my fat to 40g a day. I lost 4lbs in the first week and half a pound the second week. I weigh in tomorrow but the scales showed just another half a pound when I weighed today. So it's looking like half to one pound a week. It must have been water weight in week one. I can't bear losing as little as half a pound a week when I'm working so hard and have so much to lose. It will take me 3 years to lose the rest and that's if I keep losing that half a pound! It slows down the further along you get so probably longer. How can I be so big and losing so little in my first weeks? It looks like it would continue like this for a couple of months and then probably stop!

Don't get me wrong, if I was a couple of months in and had dropped to a pound a week I would be thrilled. But to be 16 stone and only losing that if I'm luck AND in the first month, frankly it's really upsetting cos of the way weight loss slows. Is I'm starting at half a pound then I'm not suddenly going to start losing more as time goes on. As far as I am aware it slow down not speeds up.
I'm eating:

b/fast - 2 Weetabix
snack - yoghurt
lunch - 2 toast, poached egg and small tin spag hoops. OR, tin soup and 50g pasta. OR, 3 little fishcakes and baked beans. OR, mashed potato and dry chicken
snack - 20g pretzels or 2 ryvita with low fat cheese spread
tea - sandwich - cottage cheese OR dry tuna OR dry chicken, French fries crisps, fruit smoothie
supper - 1 Weetabix

The past couple days I've been so frustrated I've dropped the morning snack and supper. I know it's not a healthy diet but I do have that selective eating problem.

I'm also doing 15-20mins on the cross trainer a day.

It should be working cos I have dropped around 2000 calories lower than what I was eating. also diets in the past have always worked at 4-6lbs in the first week, then 2-3lbs for the next few weeks then settling into and steady 1.5-2lbs a week thereafter. The one time I lost a lot of weight was about 15 years ago, I had PCOS then but was nowhere near as big as now, I went from 13 stone to 10 stone that time. Easy peasy. The next time I lost weight (ten years ago) I was on metformin and it fell off, I only had 2 stone to lose that time - managed to lose it and bam I was pregnant.

Since then I have been unable to lose weight without starvation. One time was slim fast. I was almost passing out on that one. Another was when hubby cheated. I lived on toast, tea and cigarettes and lost 1.5 stone in 3 months. I wasn't eating more than 500 cals a day. Even the binging stopped. I was drinking instead.

But to try and eat, exercise and do it all properly...well, the scales aren't really moving since the first week. It seems my body only responds to starvation now.

I can't believe I have to wait a week to talk to dr about it.

I've had a look at an old thread on here from when I tried slim fast. Back then we thought my bipolar was m.e as I was diagnosed with that after my surgery as a kid so things have changed a bit there but otherwise it was the same as where I am now. Trying to give up my bad habits and struggling. I managed to lose 9lbs in the first month of that apparently, with no exercise and I was practically starving myself to achieve that.

Do I really have to starve to get my body to let go of the weight?

It's just so frustrating when I really think going back on meds I took for a couple of years before, for a condition I suffer from and is the appropriate treatment for me, would be a much more sensible idea.

Going to go and hibernate now, I've gone on and on, moaning and whinging. Sorry guys.

Caz x
 
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Hi hun, It's really hard to explain or understand how metformin works. All I know is it has something to do with insulin resistance and the imbalance of those hormones unbalance all the other hormones and cause havoc. I was put on it as a trial drug back in 2004 after having polycystic ovaries seen on a scan when we were having fertility treatment. I was sure I had it but I was seeing a useless doctor who wouldn't entertain the idea. I only had about 3 periods a year, was overweight, had facial hair and acne etc etc. When it was seen on the scan he couldn't deny it any more and I was referred to a lovely endocrinologist who confirmed it and offered to put me on a trial. They were just starting to put women, who couldn't conceive due to pcos, on it. It's actually a diabetic drug but as insulin resistance is in the same family they were trying it. After 5 years of clomid and ivf....I was pregnant in 3 months! Dream come true. So, it clearly works. Anyway, the bigger you are the more out of whack your hormones get so he asked me to try and lose weight to help the pills do there thing. It came off quite quickly. So it does work. After having DS I came off them as I didn't want anymore children due to my mental health problems. He wanted me to stay on them as they help with so many things for pcos sufferers but I had tummy problems and thought it was the pills so I said no. Many months later, still having tummy problems I realised it was milk and not the pills - typical! But as didn't want anymore kids I didn't bother going back on them. He did say I could go back on them at any time. Looking back I can see that I was exactly the same weight, 1 week after having ds as I was when I conceived 11 stone. It was when I came off them and went on anti d's that the weight went on. I can't help but wonder which was the culprit. Anyway the bigger you are with pcos the harder it is to shift it. The smaller you are, the easier, the imbalance gets worse as you get bigger. It's not my diet that's the problem as I am religious about recording every single calorie and I don't go over 15/1600 and am exercising. It's either my psych meds - which I have just found out apparently put weight on cos they too cause insulin resistance, or my PCOS which does the same. It must be that! Every time they test me for diabetes I come back borderline, my mum, nan, brother are all type 2 diabetics. My mum also has pcos. They don't like prescribing it if you're not diabetic but it's so annoying when I know for a fact the dr wrote to my gp saying I can go back on it anytime and that I fit all the criteria. It's cos it's an off label use even though it's been used for PCOS at least since I was on the trial, it's common treatment these days as it provides so many health benefits to pcos ladies. It reduces cholesterol, reduces risk of diabetes, regulates your cycle, helps with skin problems and thinning hair, reduces heart disease etc all the things we are at high risk for. And of course it makes magic little metformin babies, I know of three personally! So, I'm on 15/1600 cals. Have upped my fat to 40g a day. I lost 4lbs in the first week and half a pound the second week. I weigh in tomorrow but the scales showed just another half a pound when I weighed today. So it's looking like half to one pound a week. It must have been water weight in week one. I can't bear losing as little as half a pound a week when I'm working so hard and have so much to lose. It will take me 3 years to lose the rest and that's if I keep losing that half a pound! It slows down the further along you get so probably longer. How can I be so big and losing so little in my first weeks? It looks like it would continue like this for a couple of months and then probably stop! Don't get me wrong, if I was a couple of months in and had dropped to a pound a week I would be thrilled. But to be 16 stone and only losing that if I'm luck AND in the first month, frankly it's really upsetting cos of the way weight loss slows. Is I'm starting at half a pound then I'm not suddenly going to start losing more as time goes on. As far as I am aware it slow down not speeds up. I'm eating: b/fast - 2 Weetabix snack - yoghurt lunch - 2 toast, poached egg and small tin spag hoops. OR, tin soup and 50g pasta. OR, 3 little fishcakes and baked beans. OR, mashed potato and dry chicken snack - 20g pretzels or 2 ryvita with low fat cheese spread tea - sandwich - cottage cheese OR dry tuna OR dry chicken, French fries crisps, fruit smoothie supper - 1 Weetabix The past couple days I've been so frustrated I've dropped the morning snack and supper. I know it's not a healthy diet but I do have that selective eating problem. I'm also doing 15-20mins on the cross trainer a day. It should be working cos I have dropped around 2000 calories lower than what I was eating. also diets in the past have always worked at 4-6lbs in the first week, then 2-3lbs for the next few weeks then settling into and steady 1.5-2lbs a week thereafter. The one time I lost a lot of weight was about 15 years ago, I had PCOS then but was nowhere near as big as now, I went from 13 stone to 10 stone that time. Easy peasy. The next time I lost weight (ten years ago) I was on metformin and it fell off, I only had 2 stone to lose that time - managed to lose it and bam I was pregnant. Since then I have been unable to lose weight without starvation. One time was slim fast. I was almost passing out on that one. Another was when hubby cheated. I lived on toast, tea and cigarettes and lost 1.5 stone in 3 months. I wasn't eating more than 500 cals a day. Even the binging stopped. I was drinking instead. But to try and eat, exercise and do it all properly...well, the scales aren't really moving since the first week. It seems my body only responds to starvation now. I can't believe I have to wait a week to talk to dr about it. I've had a look at an old thread on here from when I tried slim fast. Back then we thought my bipolar was m.e as I was diagnosed with that after my surgery as a kid so things have changed a bit there but otherwise it was the same as where I am now. Trying to give up my bad habits and struggling. I managed to lose 9lbs in the first month of that apparently, with no exercise and I was practically starving myself to achieve that. Do I really have to starve to get my body to let go of the weight? It's just so frustrating when I really think going back on meds I took for a couple of years before, for a condition I suffer from and is the appropriate treatment for me, would be a much more sensible idea. Going to go and hibernate now, I've gone on and on, moaning and whinging. Sorry guys. Caz x


Eeek I can see why your upset I really can't see why you are not losing the weight hun I'm flummoxed to be honest!!! Xx
 
Oh, caz, I'm sorry you're still struggling. :(

I don't really have any advice, since I don't know much about orlistat or metformin. Just crossing my fingers that your doctor's visit goes well and you start seeing better results soon. xx
 
Thanks both so much. I'm looking into some stuff that might help. I'm scared to get my hopes up though.

I don't know what's going on with me but I just don't want to give up! I've spent the afternoon researching PCOS and learning about the PCOS diet plan that I have pretended didn't exist as I though it was no carbs. Now with me having the eating problems I do I thought I wouldn't be able to do it. BUT after reading something that said low 'refined' carbs, I read on.

It turns out I could follow a PCOS diet! It's not about cutting carbs as such but changing everything to whole grains. Nothing white and no added sugar. I can follow that!

I really mustn't get my hopes up but it's a glimmer of hope. I'm going to start tomorrow regardless of what the dr says. Even though it would work better with metformin.

I've noticed in the past that switching to wholemeal bread has helped but I can't get hold of my favourite brand anymore so switched back to white. I'll have to try some others. It makes me think there may be something to it.

I've also read up on what happens with PCOS and weight. Apparently we produce more insulin as we are resistant to it's effects. Insulin spikes make you hungry and the crash after makes you tired. I've always been most tired after lunch - interesting. Apparently the extra insulin makes your liver produce more fat and your body wants to hold on to it especially around our bellies. With a 44 inch belly that's definitely the case with me. That's probably hugely oversimplified but at least it makes scientific sense.

Also the reason exercise helped me so much before is that exercise uses up the very insulin that's causing the weight gain.

When we were dealing with infertility and the endocrinologist first put me on the drug he just explained it very simply that I need to produce more insulin to get the same effect other people do and that insulin was a hormone. He said that when one hormone is out of whack the others follow suit which is why I couldn't get pregnant. He also said that the more insulin we produce the sooner we become diabetic, I think he said that eventually we can't produce insulin, or not enough anyway. That was as far as my understanding went.

I'm sorry I'm dragging you all around in circles with me. Hubby is going to ring gp again tomorrow and tell her I just can't stay on orlistat because of the constipation and to beg for metformin.

I'll be back to let you know what happens. Hopefully I will be changing tack. It's worth a try. I'm done with orlistat, it doesn't seem to work for me.

If this change doesn't make a difference then at least I will be eating healthily and I will have tried everything. I will just have to resign myself to a slow loss.

Hubby is very excited and going to get me a few things tonight, he's being so supportive. He likes understanding the science of the problem and that it all adds up.

I'm nervous, very nervous. I keep thinking things will change and the weight will come off. If I just try this, no? well maybe it's that? no? well, i'll try this etc etc I wonder if I am doing myself any favours getting my hopes up all the time.

Caz x
 
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Caz, I'm really hoping the answer to this question is "yes", cos it would be quite shocking if it were a "no"...

...but have you ever been tested for hypothyroidism?? And more specifically, the autoimmune form of hypothyroidism, known as Hashimoto's?
 
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Thanks so much winterjasmine!

Yes, my thyroid is ticketyboo. I have full bloods done regularly and have been tested a few times.

Saying that I don't have full faith in the labs. When we were trying for a baby Hubby had his tests all come back fine. Then we went private out of desperation and were asked to pick some results up on one occasion. Me being me had to have a nosey and the lab had checked his results as normal when they were far from it. The dr literally glanced and said all was fine. When I pointed out the discrepancy he was really embarrassed and said I was right. There was a huge problem that had been missed.

It's happened with my original pcos tests and with anaemia tests. All the same dr unsurprisingly. It's quite shocking really.

I have to share this story. The PCOS was the worst. I knew I had it. Anyone who had ever heard of it could tell. I have EVERY symptom. Irregular heavy periods, infertility, miscarriage, acne, hidradenitis, dark skin specific places on my body, weight gain and others. My GP agreed and sent me to a gynaecologist. He did blood tests and said I did not have PCOS. So we went private for IVF (ICSI) during my internal scan the nurse told me unequivocally that I had multiple cysts and did I know I had PCOS? She showed them to me on the screen. I told him at our next appointment and he said it didn't mean anything, lots of women have cysts. Then I had an op to check my tubes were clear - he had to remove a large cyst when he was in there. So I asked him to check me again, he still denied it. So we went through ivf. I had a bad reaction to the drugs, my ovaries couldn't handle the amount of eggs and fluid - it was called something like hyperstimulation I think. It was awful. We went through it all and I never got further than a chemical pregnancy - very early miscarriage - because my hormones were so screwed up. So we gave up. Decided we would never have children.

Then one day hubby was reading a magazine and it mentioned metformin for PCOS so we thought we would try again, not to get pregnant but just to help my symptoms. This time we were referred to an endocrinologist who looked at my bloods and said I had a severe case but he wanted the gynaecologist to agree. Back to him and again he denied it. Luckily the endocrinologist ignored him, did further tests that proved it without a doubt. he started me on metformin and winked at me saying 'don't be surprised if you fall pregnant'. I thought he was incredibly insensitive - I couldn't have kids! 3 months later I got my positive!

Happiest day of my life.

I would cheerfully throttle the one who refused to accept the obvious.

So yeah, I really do need the treatment. I wish I had never stopped it now. My last tests showed it had progressed to hyperandrogenism, he said it had worsened but that if I didn't want more children I didn't have to take it. As I have said I thought it was that causing my stomach problems so I stopped treatment. I now know it was milk causing the upset and I can't see any reason why I can't go back on it. It's silly to wait for a weigh in when I clearly can't tolerate the constipation on orlistat. It's common sense to give me something that should help my condition and not something that doesn't.

There will no doubt be a reason. Maybe they prefer to keep metformin for infertility these days, maybe it's money, maybe they get paid for getting obese patients on weight loss meds, I don't know but surely common sense will prevail.

If not I will ask for a referral back to the endocrinologist, we're old friends now and I'm sure he would love to see the ten year old young man he helped bring into the world! he was very hot on encouraging obese patients to take the drug as it reverses so many of the massive health risks PCOS causes. He knows it helps patients to lose weight at a more normal rate.

Trying to stay positive but even though I have such faith in the drug the little devil on my shoulder is whispering in my ear 'ah, but it might not work for you anymore, how silly are you going to look if it doesn't work for you and you stay fat?!'

I'm trying not to think like that but it's hard. I've got to try everything.

Caz x
 
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