oh yes. so thrilling. to be fair i'm not doing much at the mo. well, nothing since i'm on my lunch break, ha. but i'm going to faff around with sql and asp. i have some html forms and they want a stored address book to select something from to enter in the address field on one of the forms so i have to figure out how to do that... not sure i will figure out how to do that as my brain isn't with it today since i'm running mainly on caffeine but we'll see how it goes.