Deflating the Bouncy Castle
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bettiesrevenge
Gold Member
Oh lordy -
Fast forward to febuary - (I'm envisioning the screatching sound of brakes being applied here in some movie like sequence - odd!)
My personal view point is this - when you are overweight, there are certain behaviours that bring us to this place. I have already shared on more than one occasion that my reaction to stress and emotional nature, led me in part down the path of weigh gain post CD last time. Add to that the sleeplessness of baby momma-ing, and slowly but surely the pounds began to cling on.
CD is a quick fix, and the number of re-starters outweigh the maintainers for a reason - we all miss our lives, we all miss being able to eat and drink like a "normal person" what we dont get is, we are just not metabolically the same as anyone who can eat and drink like a famine victim at a tea party, we have to be VERY careful about what we consume post cambridge if we want to make it to the other side. It's the same as any recovery programme, I think. In that we cant just do the steps and think Ahhhh...that's it now. NO. That's not it, we will always have to deal with what brought us to that place. So for many of us, it means that the fight only starts post the security of CD.
I know that sounds really negative, and I am only talking from my own experience. But that experience tells me, that yes, refeeding is important, the steps are important (at least a week at each of the suggested calorific and nutritional levels as Vi says) BUT what is mega important is the lifestyle changes we all implement afterwards.
So I guess, if it was me, I would SS until you get to where you want to be, to give yourself the best chance of maintaining.
Now put that thought back in the pandoras box where you found it, and mark it "do not open until january"
Fast forward to febuary - (I'm envisioning the screatching sound of brakes being applied here in some movie like sequence - odd!)
My personal view point is this - when you are overweight, there are certain behaviours that bring us to this place. I have already shared on more than one occasion that my reaction to stress and emotional nature, led me in part down the path of weigh gain post CD last time. Add to that the sleeplessness of baby momma-ing, and slowly but surely the pounds began to cling on.
CD is a quick fix, and the number of re-starters outweigh the maintainers for a reason - we all miss our lives, we all miss being able to eat and drink like a "normal person" what we dont get is, we are just not metabolically the same as anyone who can eat and drink like a famine victim at a tea party, we have to be VERY careful about what we consume post cambridge if we want to make it to the other side. It's the same as any recovery programme, I think. In that we cant just do the steps and think Ahhhh...that's it now. NO. That's not it, we will always have to deal with what brought us to that place. So for many of us, it means that the fight only starts post the security of CD.
I know that sounds really negative, and I am only talking from my own experience. But that experience tells me, that yes, refeeding is important, the steps are important (at least a week at each of the suggested calorific and nutritional levels as Vi says) BUT what is mega important is the lifestyle changes we all implement afterwards.
So I guess, if it was me, I would SS until you get to where you want to be, to give yourself the best chance of maintaining.
Now put that thought back in the pandoras box where you found it, and mark it "do not open until january"
spangles
Bouncy Castle
i should clarify - i know i will still need to diet. i will always need to diet. and i will be having psychotherapy. it's just this particular diet iks not going to become a way of life for me. it's a one-time-only deal. because otherwise, if i think "i can always go back to cambridge" i will binge. it will be binge/CD/binge/CD for the rest of my life. I need to go to new york without the safety blanket of CD to come back to - because otherwise i'll thing "what harm can it do? i'll have a stone off in a month or so". After new york i have to do something to lose weight which forces me to confront portion size, and nutrition, and making decisions about food. CD is too easy for me.
i also need to be a ble to participate in my life. When I say 'get my life back' i don't mean all the secret binges from before. i mean, being able to eat healthily with my husband, go to restaurants and not force myself to eat three courses when i'm not hungry, go to the pub and not drink til i drop every time. at the moment i'm removing myself from that part of my life - cambridge allows me to do that... but it isn't really teaching me anything. i need to try a diet (dietchef) which eases me into that stuff more meaningfully. i need to not be living in fear of being knocked out of ketosis - that keeps me on the straight and narrow, but i need to learn to make those choices, and to lose weight or maintain at the same time. lots of people transfer to slimming world for the same reasons.
i also need to be a ble to participate in my life. When I say 'get my life back' i don't mean all the secret binges from before. i mean, being able to eat healthily with my husband, go to restaurants and not force myself to eat three courses when i'm not hungry, go to the pub and not drink til i drop every time. at the moment i'm removing myself from that part of my life - cambridge allows me to do that... but it isn't really teaching me anything. i need to try a diet (dietchef) which eases me into that stuff more meaningfully. i need to not be living in fear of being knocked out of ketosis - that keeps me on the straight and narrow, but i need to learn to make those choices, and to lose weight or maintain at the same time. lots of people transfer to slimming world for the same reasons.
bettiesrevenge
Gold Member
I totaly agree!
Again speaking from experience, I did SW (oh I hark at that now!) it wasnt a great sucess for me, because of just those magic words. Portion Sizes...I just couldnt get my head around the endless eat-a-thon that was SW.
Are you into cooking? Because there are many low carb eating plans out there which are probably better for us, Dukan is my fave, simply because it is french and centres around the pleasure of eating, rather than the mindless monotony of what I would call...noshing.
I know exactly where you are coming from for what it's worth hun, and CBT and other techniques are exactly what is needed here alongside what you are eating, whatever plan we are on. That's why I am going for emotional freedom technique, to hopefully find another way of dealing with my anger and frustration and emotional burn out, all of which push my buttons to think it's ok to binge, so long as it makes the feelings go away. It's less scary than facing the issues. Now, however, I think I need to be in a place where I can do that, and not feel I need to enter a carb coma.
Are you paying privately for CBT?
Again speaking from experience, I did SW (oh I hark at that now!) it wasnt a great sucess for me, because of just those magic words. Portion Sizes...I just couldnt get my head around the endless eat-a-thon that was SW.
Are you into cooking? Because there are many low carb eating plans out there which are probably better for us, Dukan is my fave, simply because it is french and centres around the pleasure of eating, rather than the mindless monotony of what I would call...noshing.
I know exactly where you are coming from for what it's worth hun, and CBT and other techniques are exactly what is needed here alongside what you are eating, whatever plan we are on. That's why I am going for emotional freedom technique, to hopefully find another way of dealing with my anger and frustration and emotional burn out, all of which push my buttons to think it's ok to binge, so long as it makes the feelings go away. It's less scary than facing the issues. Now, however, I think I need to be in a place where I can do that, and not feel I need to enter a carb coma.
Are you paying privately for CBT?
Sapphireblue
Full Member
i would suggest SSing until a minimum of 3wks before hols, so you can at least do 1 wk 810, 1 wk step3, 1 wk step4, to ease you out of it a bit more gradually than just stopping.
Having been very disappointed myself to not continue to lose when i first stepped up to step3 (took a MONTH before any loss), i wouldn't put faith in that happening for you so i would try to get as near to goal as you can whilst still having some time to step up before hols.
Having been very disappointed myself to not continue to lose when i first stepped up to step3 (took a MONTH before any loss), i wouldn't put faith in that happening for you so i would try to get as near to goal as you can whilst still having some time to step up before hols.
shrinkin'violet
Silver Member
In that case I'd 100% definitely step up properly and deal with any extra when you get back.
The steps are hard work, getting your body used to eating again, having to make decisions about food, after the ease of ss (as in no decisions) the steps are by far the hardest part of CD for me personally, having to leave the comfort of the shake and venture into the world of food again. But it not only lets your body adjust gradually, it also gives you time to get your head around it. Do you remember my violet shaped panic I got into when I 1st attempted to work up the steps, its a bit of a head eff, I cant imagine how it must be to go from ss to real world overnight. Not a good idea for the body or the brain!!
Now though on step 5 I'm completely cool, eat 3 proper meals a day, have 1 cd product if i remember and could easily go without. Which feels like a sensible place to be for me! But trust me it takes a few weeks of gradually eating more to get your head where mine is now (well it did for me obvs).
And i bet if you do the steps (full 7 weeks) you'll eat way more sensibly in NY than if you don't. I don't crave any of the foods I used to!
Right enough of the rambling, you'll ACE it fo sure xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
The steps are hard work, getting your body used to eating again, having to make decisions about food, after the ease of ss (as in no decisions) the steps are by far the hardest part of CD for me personally, having to leave the comfort of the shake and venture into the world of food again. But it not only lets your body adjust gradually, it also gives you time to get your head around it. Do you remember my violet shaped panic I got into when I 1st attempted to work up the steps, its a bit of a head eff, I cant imagine how it must be to go from ss to real world overnight. Not a good idea for the body or the brain!!
Now though on step 5 I'm completely cool, eat 3 proper meals a day, have 1 cd product if i remember and could easily go without. Which feels like a sensible place to be for me! But trust me it takes a few weeks of gradually eating more to get your head where mine is now (well it did for me obvs).
And i bet if you do the steps (full 7 weeks) you'll eat way more sensibly in NY than if you don't. I don't crave any of the foods I used to!
Right enough of the rambling, you'll ACE it fo sure xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
spangles
Bouncy Castle
thanks gals. tbh - i guess i'll just decide nearer the time. i might lose a stone next week, and put myself ahead of the game. (HAH!)
Nat - i'm paying privately and will find a therapist who can do some traditional psychotherapy, looking at causes, in combination with CBT. I will use the money i saved from not doing 8 months of lighter life.
Nat - i'm paying privately and will find a therapist who can do some traditional psychotherapy, looking at causes, in combination with CBT. I will use the money i saved from not doing 8 months of lighter life.
bluegirl
Silver Member
I can't help with the step up advice as I am sooooooo far away. But I am with you on the portion size issue post CD. I've been looking at lots of those diet chef type companies. My problem is that I work away and wouldn't have access to preparation facilities, so I am now searching for something Elsie can use to manage the real world of eating. I've tried smaller plates, I've tried restraint, next thing will be to get my jaw wired lol
spangles
Bouncy Castle
tricky. it went very wrong for me a few years ago when i was on tour - no food prep facilities and easy access to a daily cooked breakfast.
Okay so today - 3.25lbs. fine - but where has my whoosh gone? silly whoosh - i had it on sunday. i still make me a week and a half behind. next week better get its arse in gear!
Okay so today - 3.25lbs. fine - but where has my whoosh gone? silly whoosh - i had it on sunday. i still make me a week and a half behind. next week better get its arse in gear!
Jayellekay
this time - the last time
hehe! Don't be so hard on yourself!
You're like me! I'm down 22.5lb in 8weeks. CD promised me 2 stone in this time - why is my body not playing the CD game?!!
You're doing great - keep looking at your overall loss (and I will try and take some of my own advice
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You're like me! I'm down 22.5lb in 8weeks. CD promised me 2 stone in this time - why is my body not playing the CD game?!!
You're doing great - keep looking at your overall loss (and I will try and take some of my own advice
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bluegirl
Silver Member
The whoosh will come, it has to doesn't it. You've not been off plan apart from poorly tablets, it's just disappointing I guess when you view small bites of the whole story.
Not sure how I'll deal with eating and travel but I want to be as prepared as I can be for when the time comes
Not sure how I'll deal with eating and travel but I want to be as prepared as I can be for when the time comes
shrinkin'violet
Silver Member
Nice loss love and your BMI has gone down by more than 10, mental goodness x
and your BMI has gone down by more than 10, mental goodness x
jembo
Full Member
I'm in exactly same boat I'm 9lb of target and go to new York in 15 days ! I'm having 5days off whilst I'm there so do I go to 810 next week the step 3 week before to stopp me from gaining loads or do I stick to SS until I go !! I'm proper stressed about it!! I will do SS when I'm back until it's off but just worried xxx
Clear As yoghurt
Full Member
3.25lbs is such a good loss! Well done! I love your attitude of this being a one time deal. I am proof that it is to easy to fall back on (different vlcd), though I did not finish that time, hence being back. So I am with you on doing this and not relying forever more on CD. It would be to much of a vicious cycle, lets be kinder to ourselves and our health x
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bettiesrevenge
Gold Member
3.25! That's ace - I am putting my lack of woosh down to the excessive central heating use my husband uses, I think I need to double up the water! Maybe you need to do something similar?
Ok, what's a whoosh? I want one! Sounds fun.
I don't think you need to worry too much about post CD, you have shown remarkable dedication to this diet and I think once you are faced with the real world you will be able to show restraint. Put your before and after photos on the inside of the cupboard door where you will always see them!
I don't think you need to worry too much about post CD, you have shown remarkable dedication to this diet and I think once you are faced with the real world you will be able to show restraint. Put your before and after photos on the inside of the cupboard door where you will always see them!
spangles
Bouncy Castle
i think i'm fortunate (although it doesn't seem it) because i will be forced to keep my bmi below 30 until i'm sucessfully ivf'd up. I've never been that bothered by the way i look.
i think it's probably deceptive, though - the clarity i have about food from this perspective of abstainance. it all seems so logical that indulgence on one day would be offset by the rest of the week on a controlled regime. That afternoon tea once in a blue moon is lovely, but needs to be instead of, and not as well as, ten quid's worth of cream cakes four times a week. That going out on the lash is brilliant but then drinking at home til i get drunk is pointless, even if it is the weekend...
i can see all that stuff really calmly and clearly, but I know that my obsessive compulsive behaviours around food are triggered by exposure to choice, and nice tastes, and the freedom to indulge and reward myself. that stuff brings with it a panic and an irrationality that i used to live through in almost every waking hour: when am i going to get food; what will it be; how much can i eat; will my route take me past this place; who knows when i'll next have a chance; has that person got more than me; will they notice if i take another serving; how much can i eat before my husband gets home...
and it's all panicpanicpanicpanicpanicpanic. mentally, emotionally, it's exhausting. i've been like that to a growing extent since childhood. gradually, gradually... and as lovely as it has been to be clear-headed for once, i don't kid myself that it'll have been 'cured' by eight or nine months of 'just not doing food at all'. This is only going to get harder from here on in.
i think it's probably deceptive, though - the clarity i have about food from this perspective of abstainance. it all seems so logical that indulgence on one day would be offset by the rest of the week on a controlled regime. That afternoon tea once in a blue moon is lovely, but needs to be instead of, and not as well as, ten quid's worth of cream cakes four times a week. That going out on the lash is brilliant but then drinking at home til i get drunk is pointless, even if it is the weekend...
i can see all that stuff really calmly and clearly, but I know that my obsessive compulsive behaviours around food are triggered by exposure to choice, and nice tastes, and the freedom to indulge and reward myself. that stuff brings with it a panic and an irrationality that i used to live through in almost every waking hour: when am i going to get food; what will it be; how much can i eat; will my route take me past this place; who knows when i'll next have a chance; has that person got more than me; will they notice if i take another serving; how much can i eat before my husband gets home...
and it's all panicpanicpanicpanicpanicpanic. mentally, emotionally, it's exhausting. i've been like that to a growing extent since childhood. gradually, gradually... and as lovely as it has been to be clear-headed for once, i don't kid myself that it'll have been 'cured' by eight or nine months of 'just not doing food at all'. This is only going to get harder from here on in.
bluegirl
Silver Member
Spangles, I feel the need for a group hug! You are always so honest and brave and spell out what lots of us have gone through, and what brings us to this awful bloody diet.
I agree on the clarity (and I am only in week 3) but I know I am already in that panic about after I finish my journey to overweight rather than obese. I am reading all I can, trying to change my behaviour, my thought processes and I know this will never end. It will be with me forever.
Im reading the 100 day and the Beck books at the moment, seems the key is to make things normal, as much as we dont want to go to work, we go, as much as we dont want to pick up our partners/childrens clothes, we do. Its automatic. So we must make eating well and balancing all things normal.
I really hope we find a way to do that.
Hug over! xxx
I agree on the clarity (and I am only in week 3) but I know I am already in that panic about after I finish my journey to overweight rather than obese. I am reading all I can, trying to change my behaviour, my thought processes and I know this will never end. It will be with me forever.
Im reading the 100 day and the Beck books at the moment, seems the key is to make things normal, as much as we dont want to go to work, we go, as much as we dont want to pick up our partners/childrens clothes, we do. Its automatic. So we must make eating well and balancing all things normal.
I really hope we find a way to do that.
Hug over! xxx
