That's right my girl, top line is all diets work, as long as you do them, but I think we have to embed that we need to change our eating habits for life, so I suppose we'll be going up and down:devilangel: all the time but at least we can try, and if we gain, just start again. I'm hopeful that one day we'll get there (don't know what year) but hey, one other minimum user I met on another thread, has lost 8 stone and is still going, great motivation to have around!