FatFairNForty(ish)
Gold Member
Jennie,
two things while I'm on here.
1. 11 stone- wow!! I was thinking about it last night and that is how much I weigh. A whole me (and I'm not flimsy!) divested of. I'm in awe of your achievement and in keeping going amid holidays, stress, change etc.
Lol, thanks.. almost done the 11stone... hopefully in the next couple of weeks![]()
2. Re Lucy. I'm sort of thinking of what my wise therapist would say here. You have a good gut instinct. You are persistently feeling certain feelings around her. We pick up SO much of what we feel from non-verbal signals. Can I suggest that you are actually picking up on something she does to MAKE you feel insecure? Not on purpose probably no, but when you say she "unwittingly" flirts with all blokes- well, I'd say, that's prob not "unwittingly" fully. For whatever reasons of her own, it sounds like she needs to unconsciously compete for all available male attention in the vicinity and symbolically "kill off" female competition around her. That will have got worse (i.e she might have stepped it up ,again unconsciously) as you have begun to grow tentatively more confident in your attractiveness.
Some female friendships can happily survive that level of unconscious competitiveness- some might need a little bit more distance in order for them to be sustainable. Sounds like you would like some space without having an unconscious femininity battle go on- I say, don't feel guilty-go for it! You can still be friends, but while you're at this tranisitonal stage in your confidence, you need to hold the floor on your own sometimes. Go with your gut-it's time and again proved right for you.
(If you were inclined, the Freudian psychologist Karen Horney is someone who writes about this type of thing-I'm not just making it up, honest!)
Hmm, you know what, maybe it's ME that is the instigator of a femininity battle though, not Lucy... honestly, I don't think this is her.. I have thought loads about it and I know that for years I have always felt like the 'fat, ugly mate' when we went out, although when I was married it wasn't anywhere near as bad.
Now, and blimey, this is a bit deep for me on a Thursday morning!!... but... perhaps... once I was 'rejected & dejected' when ex unceremoniously dumped me for a younger more svelte model.. maybe THAT'S when the rot set in.... now I wasn't the one who was in a loving, secure (so I thought) relationship and had the comfort of the knowledge that at the end of a night out together, I was the one going home to a warm multi-purpose bed! (if you get my drift?)
Perhaps... and I have no idea what Freud would say about all this as I've long since forgotten my studies on him and his cocaine-hazed findings.. lol... but perhaps... finding myself 'single' and going out as a fellow singleton placed ME in competitive mode.. a competition, I have to say, I had no chance of ever winning!so, I set myself up for repeated negative experiences...
It doesn't happen EVERY time we go out.. I'm ok when we go to gigs, the cinema., the book club we used to belong to... church events... basically anywhere where we aren't likely to meet any fellas and speak to them.. LMAO
As soon as we are in a situation with 'available' men, I become this insecure flipping worrywart who often can barely string a sentence together!
I honestly don't think she does anything to MAKE me feel this way, I do think it is just me being a twerp!
I contacted my mate who'd asked me to the quiz and asked if I could invite Lucy and she said no... lol.. it was for teams of 4 and she chose me and I was her guest. So, now I can go and not feel guilty about it.Result!
I have suggested we (me and Lucy) go out one evening next week though... and of course we will be at the quiz as per on Sunday.
sorry for early morning ramblings, been meaning to say it for days
xx
Hey, it's good to see you! You're so very welcome anytime! Thank you for helping me see things a bit clearer.. you, Mich and Cheryl have all made me think hard about why I feel the way I do, and what to do about it.
Whilst I feel this way, I think that some 'holding the floor alone' is a very splendid idea.. and one I am going to go for. Just whilst I find my own niche and my feet... (will also be having a serious word with meself about things!) lol
xxx