thats what i mean hunni ive done it myself and been convinced i have been great then sat down with pad and paper and actually written everything down and been totally horrified at the amount of syns id racked up, i went for the max amount of syns that i thought it would have been but the cheese thing is a hard one cos they wont use reduced fat cheese and you get 2 hexas but thats still probably less than they used then all the oil and butter and sugar they like to put in things, which was the other thing i meant to say, the tomato sauces tend to have sugar in..i know cos i used to make tomato sauces and they put quite a bit of oil and sugar in them, its all these hidden things that add up. if you go out tbh your best bet is just steamed veg and ask specifically that they dont put butter or oil on them, jacket potato providing they arent coated in oil first, plain rice, fish or meat, curry-providing its not the creamy ones, they tend to be pretty low and lots of chinese dishes are low too. i know you like to eat out so maybe see if you can get that food directory that gives you lists of food at places to eat out and familiarise yourself with what is low syns and what isnt. its a bloody minefield at times though isnt it lol. i think its good to know where your slipping up as then you can rectify it, its when you dont know that the problem creeps in. also ask your c for some sas logs, i think they would really help you as i think that you guesstimate a lot of stuff and count stuff as hexas and hexbs without weighing (we all do it) but this i think could be tripping you up big time. go back to basics hun, weigh and measure everything, check syn values BEFORE you eat something and if your unsure go for the higher syn value rather than the lower one and hoping its ok (i too do this, or i give something a syn value that i want it to be so it fits in with my daily allowance haha-work that one out!!) and most of all try to relax hun, there is a reason why your not losing and i think if you started from scratch, wrote literally everything down before you ate it...yes its a pain but i think youll be surprised when you do this at the little bits you guesstimate.....and didnt eat anything unless you knew the syn value and haad weighed and measured it so it was definitely within your allowance i think you will have a good loss next week. im doing that this week, lets do it together, its a total pain but just thikn next week when we have a good loss it will so be worth it...and IF you dont get a good loss then i will kick the cr*p out of the scales for you hahaha