Greeneyes11
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I wouldn't worry when you first start, I found it hard my first few UP days, but everything is sorted now, I eat tons on my UP days....
Up days
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conlou1
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i did some research on this diet last night and it says you really do need to watch how much you eat on the up days...a study was done on mice and they found that alternate day dieting didnt work for them....they just ate double on the up days and didnt lose any weight at all....it said that in order for the diet to work you have to make sure your not eating excessively on the up days, calories are still calories and if your eating 4000 cals on your up days and 500 on your dd your basically not going to lose any weight as that works out at having 2250 cals per day if averaged out...and eating 4000 cals is easily done if your having takeaway, meals out, wine, puddings etc. so i will be tracking my cals and keeping them between 2000-2200 on my up days as i could easily binge on my up days as i did the other night, i was close to the 3000 cal mark and i could have easily have eaten more. i think as this diet is newish there doesnt seem to be as many concrete guidelines as other diets, obviously if not tracking your cals on up days is still showing a loss then thats cool, but i think if your prone to binging then i think tracking on the up days is a must. last thing i want to do is gain in my first week haha
bajoleth
Gold Member
I agree with you in part and you have to do what you feel comfortable with, my cals averaged out at 1750 a day last weelk and I lost 2lbs, our bodies are weird and wonderful things and I read recently that the calorie defecit theory i.e 3000 less to lose a 1lb has been debunked due to the complex nature of our individual bodies x You are correct that eating 4000 cals every UP day would not be wise but its not necessary physically or psychologically necessary to limit yourself to a set amount, I regulary eat 3000 on sat and sun and I usually eat 2500 on my weekday UPs . The result, well in 13 weeks of juddd I have lost every week bar 3 which were sts and mainly coincide with TOTM. I am not completely disagreeing with you here but not toatally agreeing either, I think the reason that I have lasted so long on it and never see myself eating any other way is due to the freedom I am allowed on my UPs.
We are all individuals with different ideas on what we should be eating I try to aim for healthy in the week with treats of course and then on the wekends I don't limit myself at all, sometimes I am healthy sometimes I eat takeaways ang Guu puds, I love being able to be free to choose without it affecting my weight. Its interesting to note that I have never had a gain on my official weekly weigh and thats despite having some really UP UP and away days.
Like I said its all personal and I myself am trying to stick around 2000 during the school hols as I am less active, but on the whole if you don't choose to limuit your UPs then as long as you are not eating 4000 cals on that day it doesn't matter x
We are all individuals with different ideas on what we should be eating I try to aim for healthy in the week with treats of course and then on the wekends I don't limit myself at all, sometimes I am healthy sometimes I eat takeaways ang Guu puds, I love being able to be free to choose without it affecting my weight. Its interesting to note that I have never had a gain on my official weekly weigh and thats despite having some really UP UP and away days.
Like I said its all personal and I myself am trying to stick around 2000 during the school hols as I am less active, but on the whole if you don't choose to limuit your UPs then as long as you are not eating 4000 cals on that day it doesn't matter x
conlou1
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i guess it depends on how much weight oyu have to lose, your height, activity level, hormones, metabolism etc...its very complex isnt it? i wish there was a full test they could do that could give you an exact result of how your body works and tailored a diet to the individual...but it all seems a bit trial and error on every diet. i did sw and some people consistently lost 4 and 5 pound each week, and upto 11 pound on their first weigh in...i lost 3 pound on my first week and it took me 14months to lose less than 2.5 stone...yet i switched to cc and lost a stone in 6 weeks!!! but ive become bored with restricting to 1200 each day and have had social functions etc to go to and i started doing to lose/gain dance for the past month.....which is why i chose to do juddd, i was hovering on the boards for a few weeks, but only after the watching THE programme i decided to give it a go....i guess seeing michael lose a stone in 5 weeks when he wasnt even that over weight gave me the nudge i needed. i do eat pretty well normally....but as ive been on a diet forever there is no 'normal' with me, im either eating healthy or total rubbish, i started to find a bit of moderation with cc and i guess i just need to follow that on but not feel like if i have a bottle of wine ive blown it. ill take on board what youve said....ill track my cals for now as i feel i need to to stay in control (i like being in control) but once i get into the swing of it ill stop on my up days....i just know how much i really can eat and its scary haha.
hannata
I can haz cake?
Yeah obviously eating takeouts every Up day would have a negative effect on your weight loss... but there are a lot of people eating freely and succeeding. I don't count my UDs at all and have lost every week so far.
The book does say that the up days should be treated as if you are not on a diet... so keeping tabs on your cals yes, but being exactly stringent on what you eat should only be considered if you arent losing weight... most of us can lose weight eating freely on UDs because the chemical changes make you less hungry than you'd expect on a typical "cheat day".
The book does say that the up days should be treated as if you are not on a diet... so keeping tabs on your cals yes, but being exactly stringent on what you eat should only be considered if you arent losing weight... most of us can lose weight eating freely on UDs because the chemical changes make you less hungry than you'd expect on a typical "cheat day".
bajoleth
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Aww Hun you do whatever works best for you, some people need to have that control so stick rigidly to their UP cals , its not wrong, I was just making the point so that anyone reading up about it didn't get the wrong idea x I wish you knew me personally and knew what a greedy pig I really am, the strange thing is although you think you are going to go crazy and may do for the first few UPs a its a novelty it all settles down and those who don;'t track don't actually go that far over or maybe even under , because you have the freedom it takes away a lot of the desire, I don't know if that makes any sense. But you have to do what works for you and if counting works for you then thats absolutely fine x
conlou1
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thanks...i think i just went totally ott on my first up day and i know if i ate like that every time i wont lose weight, im already in my healthy range and this last bit is going to be hard to get off....im not planning my food on my up days but i think ill input it so i know what sort of cals im hitting each time. i would hate to 'eat freely' but then end up gaining haha. like i say when i did ALOT of reading about it last night the only con to this diet i could find was that for some people they seriously over eat on the up days and it cancels out the down days...so i just wanted to share cos i know what im like and if someone says to me eat freely ill just eat til im sick hahaha
Paulinegin
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Hi Conlou
I went completely mad on my first UP day yesterday too (about 3174 calories mad!
) but I'm sure things will settle down without too much restriction being needed.
There's the novelty factor, of course, and also I had truly forgotten how many calories things contain!! 900 odd in my lunch of 2 ham granary rolls, Quavers and a creamy yoghurt! Eek
It will all come good, I'm sure
P x
I went completely mad on my first UP day yesterday too (about 3174 calories mad!
) but I'm sure things will settle down without too much restriction being needed.There's the novelty factor, of course, and also I had truly forgotten how many calories things contain!! 900 odd in my lunch of 2 ham granary rolls, Quavers and a creamy yoghurt! Eek
It will all come good, I'm sure
P x
passionflower
Silver Member
I've never had you down as a Quavers girls Mrs PHi Conlou
I went completely mad on my first UP day yesterday too (about 3174 calories mad!
There's the novelty factor, of course, and also I had truly forgotten how many calories things contain!! 900 odd in my lunch of 2 ham granary rolls, Quavers and a creamy yoghurt! Eek
It will all come good, I'm sure
P x
Paulinegin
Gold Member
passionflower said:I've never had you down as a Quavers girls Mrs P
Like a bit of cheesiness, Mon!
P x
lumpyandbumpy
Silver Member
i think the general notion is to not overeat on up days but use the calories as a rough guide too. my first couple of Up days were piggy days due to social events but now ive curbed that and am eating properly and regularly and finding that my weight is stabilising now.
what i think is that say for example you were going to base your JUDDD on a calorie restriction that equated to 1200 every day on a standard cal counting diet, then shifting the calories by juddding would result in you multiplying 1200 by 7 (days per week) then subtracting 1500 for your 3 down days (500 cals each day) then dividing the remainder of 6900 by 4 for your 4 up days which equates to 1725 so you could stick to that roughly which should definitely result in a weight loss as your total cals for the week would average out at 1200 per day, a standard diet total. you dont have to use that figure, you could look at using 1500 as an average or more or less depending on how much you want to lose, or even maintain. hope that makes sense, obviously using the calculator on the website would be more accurate but that is another way of looking at it if it makes sense! x
what i think is that say for example you were going to base your JUDDD on a calorie restriction that equated to 1200 every day on a standard cal counting diet, then shifting the calories by juddding would result in you multiplying 1200 by 7 (days per week) then subtracting 1500 for your 3 down days (500 cals each day) then dividing the remainder of 6900 by 4 for your 4 up days which equates to 1725 so you could stick to that roughly which should definitely result in a weight loss as your total cals for the week would average out at 1200 per day, a standard diet total. you dont have to use that figure, you could look at using 1500 as an average or more or less depending on how much you want to lose, or even maintain. hope that makes sense, obviously using the calculator on the website would be more accurate but that is another way of looking at it if it makes sense! x
bajoleth
Gold Member
Its not just about calorie defecit either, it affects the way that your body uses it fat stores, I read a very interesting article about when on a diet like Juddd you actually lose fat rather than muscle or water, heres the link to the thread
http://www.minimins.com/johnson-upd...ss-opposed-water-muscle-loss.html#post5368947
I have just bumped it up for you too x
http://www.minimins.com/johnson-upd...ss-opposed-water-muscle-loss.html#post5368947
I have just bumped it up for you too x
Paulinegin
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juju_doll said:
Can't wait for my skinny gene to beat up my fat gene!
P x
passionflower
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I just snortedCan't wait for my skinny gene to beat up my fat gene!
P x
