MWWWD (or Moonwatcher's Weight Watchers Diary!)

Monday 09 September 2013

Breakfast - none

Lunch - gluten free Warburton' s brown roll with egg, l/f salad cream and cucumber, cherry toms (7pp)

Dinner - jacket potato with cheese, chilli beans and branston pickle (13pp), cherry tomatoes

Snacks - bag of cheese and onion crisps (4pp) a twirl (5pp)

Drinks - water, milk in teas (1pp) and one coffee with cream (2pp) latte from machine at work (2pp)

Total 34pp, 29 dailies and 5 weeklies

APs - 2 for about half an hour of walking

Tuesday 10 September

Breakfast - yogurt and maple syrup 4pp

Lunch two slices gluten free brown bread sandwich with cheddar cheese and l/f salad cream, cucumber, cherry toms and apple 9pp

Dinner - 2 eggs and two pieces 'fried bread' fry light and a squirt of spray olive oil 9pp

Snacks - one slice gluten free white bread with peanut butter 6pp

Drinks - water, one latte from vending machine at work, milk in teas, one coffee with cream 5pp

Total 33PP, 29 dailies and 4 weeklies. One AP earned for walking to and from school (probably more as seemed to be walking around a lot, including traipsing out to the field in the pouring rain when a science teacher set off the fire alarm!)
 
haha well if it was a fire alarm I'm sure there was a lot more sweating done.. Give yourself 5ap for that one ha.. Glad to see you're out of the woods anyway!! and tut tut for no breakfast xx
 
Glad to hear everything checked out ok hun :)
 
StillTryingJoJo said:
haha well if it was a fire alarm I'm sure there was a lot more sweating done.. Give yourself 5ap for that one ha.. Glad to see you're out of the woods anyway!! and tut tut for no breakfast xx
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Lol - it was pouring and freezing, so probably used up more calories shivering than anything else! Bad hair day afterwards! Year 10... "Miss, have you got any hair straighteners in school?" Me... "If I had hair straighteners in school, do you think my hair would look like this?"

I know - black mark about the no breakfast - ran out of time and had to choose between eating breakfast or making lunch, so lunch won!
 
Wednesday 11th September

Breakfast - yogurt and maple syrup 4pp

Lunch - gluten free bread sandwich with cheese, cucumber and tomatoes, more tomatoes and an apple 8pp

Dinner - chilli with plenty of veg, chilli beans and a sweet potato all added to the pot 13pp

Snack - one piece gluten free toast with a scraping of peanut butter and maple syrup 6pp

Drinks - water, milk in teas and one coffee with cream 3pp

Totals 34pp, 29 dailies and 5 weeklies. Weeklies remaining 7. One AP for walking to and from school.
 
Really glad everything came back normal for you. It musta been such a relief to get that phone call

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everton04 said:
Really glad everything came back normal for you. It musta been such a relief to get that phone call

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Yes it was, thanks. After having it hanging over us for most of the holidays too. I was soooo tired last night - I think it was the relief kicking in,

Not long now before you fly out!
 
Thursday 12th September

Breakfast - Yogurt and maple syrup 4pp

Lunch - gluten free cheese and cucumber sandwich, loads of cherry tomatoes 9pp

Dinner - veg and lentil curry with sweet potatoes and a dollop of yogurt 9pp

Snacks - 2 teaspoons peanut butter 3pp, cherry toms and a few raspberries straight from the plants in the garden/greenhouse, blackberries picked and eaten as I walked home!

Drinks - water, milk in teas and one coffee with cream, one latte from machine at work 5pp

Totals 30pp, 29 dailies and one weekly. Weeklies remaining 7. APs today - 2 for walking to and from work and a burst on the cross trainer - need to build that up gradually!
 
Friday 13th September

Busy Friday to end a busy week, getting to know the new year 7s and beginning to assess them for extra help etc., plus drying a few inevitable tears from the ones who are overwhelmed by it. Haven't eaten dinner yet, but going to update now...

Breakfast - yogurt with maple syrup 4pp

Lunch - egg and salad cream gluten free sandwich with chopped pickled jalapenos 11pp

Dinner - made a huge pot of the veg and lentil curry last night, so having that again today 9pp

Drinks - water, one tea with a tiny splash of milk, one coffee and cream 2pp

Snack 2 gluten free crispbread with peanut butter and maple syrup 5pp

That will make 31pp, 29 dailies and 2 weeklies. 4 weeklies left so planning a nice glass of cold dry cider with my curry for 4pp,

Totals for the week - dailies and weeklies - gone, all gone! One AP earned today for walking to and from work, making 11 APs for the week.

WI tomorrow!
 
Really really pleased that the phone call was an "all clear". It seems that's been hanging over your head for ages so no wonder you felt a huge weight had been lifted that night!

Food looking really good, after a week on holiday I am craving something like the sweet potato chilli or lentil and veg curry. Mmmmmmmmm.

Fingers crossed for a positive result at weigh in tomorrow to really round this week off nicely for you :)
 
ununpentium said:
You're doing so well, I'm sure you'll have a great result at WI tomorrow :)
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Atomic pink said:
Really really pleased that the phone call was an "all clear". It seems that's been hanging over your head for ages so no wonder you felt a huge weight had been lifted that night!

Food looking really good, after a week on holiday I am craving something like the sweet potato chilli or lentil and veg curry. Mmmmmmmmm.

Fingers crossed for a positive result at weigh in tomorrow to really round this week off nicely for you :)
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Thanks Sarah and Atomic. Well, it was a loss, but not much of a loss - I am now 15st 1.6 lbs, so a loss of 0.4lbs. I was thinking the other day how the same kind of thing happened when I was around 16st. I can remember it seemed to take ages to get into the 15s and actually stay there. It`s odd though, because the different stone marks are just arbitrary numbers. I mean a stone is only a stone because we have developed that way of counting and measuring it, so really there is no reason why they should be a sticking point. This year has not been a good one for me dietwise. At this rate I will actually be heavier this Christmas than I was last Christmas, after a year of 'dieting.' Hmmmm.

Have woken up with a bad back this morning, also for no apparent reason. Although as I typed that I wondered if it was the mini session on the cross trainer the other night. I didn't really warm up or anything, just went in the room to get something and wondered if it would work ok in the space I have squeezed it into, so climbed on and had a quick go to see. Could well be that.
 
Righto. Two choices this morning - stay down about the last 9 months of DNS (Dietary Non Success) or investigate and plan some improvements.

Regular readers (!!) may remember that a while ago WW recalculated my daily points allowance down to 28pp. At the time I was generally losing steadily but slowly, and after a bit of thought and diary discussion, I decided to leave my points at 29. The reasoning was that with six stone still to go to goal, it seemed a bit early to be dropping points down that low, and that there wouldn't be a lot of wiggle room as I lost more. I have just checked on the app ans since that time my 'official' allowance has dropped to 27.

So, this morning I am considering putting my points down to the recommended 27 and seeing where that takes me for a few weeks.

I have also thought a lot over the last few weeks about Atomic's metabolism reset, and there is a part of me that is wondering if I ought to consider that, for the same reason as above really - with a long way to go to target I will be spending a lonnnnng time on 27/26 points (I put a 'projected' weight into the app and it drops to 26pp at around 14 stone - still 5 stone away from target!) I am thinking that if this is the case, and if my metabolism is kaput after years of on/off dieting, that I maybe should try the reset idea, before dropping calories again. It seems a bit counter productive to drop them first, perhaps 'get stuck' again, and then have to do the reset. On the other hand, I am dreading the idea of gaining even more weight back during the reset, whilst I am still so far from goal.

If you have managed to get this far I would be grateful for any thoughts while I am mulling thus over. Atomic, I am just about to PM you to ask you for a bit of info. Hope that is OK,
 
Congratulations on *a* loss, even if it wasn't the one you were looking for.

Its interesting that you have been thinking about the metabolism reset as I was tempted to post you all the links when I started looking into it as you seemed to share alot of the same experiences as me - having been restricting for a long time with initual success and then really not getting anywhere despite doing everything seemingly right. I didn't at the time as I didn't want to seem like i was interferring. I do think that long term restriction represses your metabolism and that does mean that after a while you don't get the results you should be getting from diets. From that point of view I think a metabolism reset might be a good idea for you.

I am really glad I decided to do it, but I won't lie - its been bloody scary at times! There has been a hell of a lot of self-doubt and its been really really difficult watching the scales go up (think overall I ended up gaining just shy of 6lb during my reset). But I do believe its been what is best for my body in the long term. If you are serious about the reset then I think its worth looking more specifically at what your body needs calorie-wise in the longer term. As it would be a shame to go through the reset only to damage your metabolism again afterwards. Its worth having a look at working out your TDEE and seeing how many calories you have actually been eating on WW.

In my opinion I really don't think whether you have been eating 27 or 29 points is really going to have made a difference to things. That's less than 600 calories a week. The deficit to have been eating to is so so much bigger than that.
 
I have been wondering about it since you started it several weeks ago Atomic, but tbh it is the idea of the initial gains that I dread. We are so conditioned to 'a loss is a success and a gain is a failure' aren't we?

What you have said about the calorie difference for one or two propoints a day is exactly what I was thinking this morning - it would work out to about three quarters of a pound a month at most, at least it would if you followed the standard 3500 calorie deficit = 1lb lost, but as we have said several times before that doesn't add up for quite a few of us on here. I was then thinking that it could still be another two or three years to get to goal and all/most of the time on a low and then lower still points value. What would that do to my metabolism over that time, especially if it is already 'confused!'

I'm not doing a great deal of exercise at the moment, but again when I look back at my diary I can see that when I was doing a lot of regular exercise and ramping up the APs it still didn't make a noticeable difference to my losses, and so that is making me think that after dieting on and off since I was 13 (thank you to the particularly nasty PE teacher when I was a slightly chubby 13 year old, with big boobs and only 4lbs over the recommended adult weight for my height!) that my metabolism is in need of the reset. The exercises made a huge difference to my body shape though, and I felt very good about that, even when the pounds weren't shifting.

I will do plenty of reading and have a good think about it all. I suppose the choices are...

Carry on with WW, dropping to 27pp and then 26pp, until target, if it happens, but at this rate I can't see it

Carry on with WW at 27pp to try and get my body to let go of a few more pounds before starting a reset. Although this doesn't sound that logical, psychologically I think I would feel happier if I was starting a reset from a lighter starting point!

Carry on with WW at 27pp until Christmas, when realistically I know I will come off track for a few days anyway, and start a reset then.

Either of the last two, but staying on 29 or 28pp for now, instead of cutting to 27.

Start a reset straight away.

Holding back from talking to the OH about it for the.moment, which is unusual, but he is fed up with the chopping and changing this year, and I think he would just see this as another diet swap. Also not sure he would be convinced by the reset idea. As I've said before he is pretty supportive, but tends to stick to the eat less and move more mantra, so until I know a bit more about it I don't think I'll mention it. Actually I could properly get away with just doing it and not mentioning it and he wouldn't even know!
 
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moonwatcher said:
I have been wondering about it since you started it several weeks ago Atomic, but tbh it is the idea of the initial gains that I dread. We are so conditioned to 'a loss is a success and a gain is a failure' aren't we?

What you have said about the calorie difference for one or two propoints a day is exactly what I was thinking this morning - it would work out to about three quarters of a pound a month at most, at least it would if you followed the standard 3500 calorie deficit = 1lb lost, but as we have said several times before that doesn't add up for quite a few of us on here. I was then thinking that it could still be another two or three years to get to goal and all/most of the time on a low and then lower still points value. What would that do to my metabolism over that time, especially if it is already 'confused!'

I'm not doing a great deal of exercise at the moment, but again when I look back at my diary I can see that when I was doing a lot of regular exercise and ramping up the APs it still didn't make a noticeable difference to my losses, and so that is making me think that after dieting on and off since I was 13 (thank you to the particularly nasty PE teacher when I was a slightly chubby 13 year old, with big boobs and only 4lbs over the recommended adult weight for my height!) that my metabolism is in need of the reset. The exercises made a huge difference to my body shape though, and I felt very good about that, even when the pounds weren't shifting.

I will do plenty of reading and have a good think about it all. I suppose the choices are...

Carry on with WW, dropping to 27pp and then 26pp, until target, if it happens, but at this rate I can't see it

Carry on with WW at 27pp to try and get my body to let go of a few more pounds before starting a reset. Although this doesn't sound that logical, psychologically I think I would feel happier if I was starting a reset from a lighter starting point!

Carry on with WW at 27pp until Christmas, when realistically I know I will come off track for a few days anyway, and start a reset then.

Either of the last two, but staying on 29 or 28pp for now, instead of cutting to 27.

Start a reset straight away.

Holding back from talking to the OH about it for the.moment, which is unusual, but he is fed up with the chopping and changing this year, and I think he would just see this as another diet swap. Also not sure he would be convinced by the reset idea. As I've said before he is pretty supportive, but tends to stick to the eat less and move more mantra, so until I know a bit more about it I don't think I'll mention it. Actually I could properly get away with just doing it and not mentioning it and he wouldn't even know!
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Silly question maybe but what does it involve? And if there is a possible gain over a few weeks would you be comfortable with that? xx
 
I don't know what a reset involves?

It's up to you, and whether you would be able to deal with the scales going up at the moment. Maybe as you said wait until christmas where you think you might have a break from the plan anyway to enjoy the season!
 
StillTryingJoJo said:
Silly question maybe but what does it involve? And if there is a possible gain over a few weeks would you be comfortable with that? xx
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ununpentium said:
I don't know what a reset involves?

It's up to you, and whether you would be able to deal with the scales going up at the moment. Maybe as you said wait until christmas where you think you might have a break from the plan anyway to enjoy the season!
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Not a silly question at all Jojo! The basic idea is that after years of dieting/calorie restriction, your metabolism doesn't function properly as your body is so used to the lower calories that it hangs onto what it can, and uses what you do eat to fuel you, but not in the best way. You can therefore reach a point where you just don't lose any more decent losses, unless you perhaps cut your calories down again, which of course then leads you back to the same position after a while. You have to eat less and less to keep losing, and your body struggles to cope by hanging on to everything it can! One of the main things seems to be that, especially when you exercise, it draws the energy for that from your muscle, rather than from fat. I think that is about right, I'm still reading up on the theory.

If you reset, you eat your Total Daily Energy Expenditure of calories (abbreviated to TDEE -can't imagine why haha!) which is worked out by age, weight, activity level etc. You do this for around 8 weeks, maybe more, to give your metabolism a chance to recover. Your body 'knows' it will be getting what it needs and so then when you cut your calories again, you lose weight. You don't cut down to the levels of most diets though - it is a smaller percentage of your TDEE. Obviously it is likely you may lose more slowly than if you cut down drastically, but if you cut drastically you are just going to end up back at square one again. In the meantime you are being nice to your body, and although you are limiting calories, not as extremely as on other diets, so it seems a healthy way to live. There are suggested levels of protein, carbs and fats to aim for for optimum health, but not to beat yourself up about if you miss them occasionally.

Atomic Pink - if I've missed anything really important, or got anything very wrong, please feel free to put me right!

About gaining weight - hmmmm. Yesterday I was very down about the idea. Today after a bit more reading and research, not so much. The thing is, I have been getting into the dieting doldrums lately -up and down over the same 7 - 14 pounds, and although I can't say I have been perfect, I really have not felt I have deserved to be stuck as much as I have been. This fits the idea of my metabolism being out of kilter, but even more important is how I feel about it. I am so fed up with it and this makes me sort of rebel. For instance, I know that I will probably gain a bit if I up my exercise and also that overall, increasing the exercise won't improve my losses. Because there is such a focus on losing pounds I cannot motivate myself on the exercise front, even though I know it is good for me. I feel like I am following my points, cooking generally healthy food but not seeing the results, so it is really hard to add anything else into the mix -it is a sort of 'why bother?' feeling.. Also, although the exercise itself is invigorating, over a period of a few days I then feel incredibly tired, which fits with the idea of needing to reset my body and my metabolism.

So I am sort of accepting the idea of a gain initially, and I believe relaxing on the food front will encourage me to up the exercise again. I am also happy that I won't struggle to meet my body's nutritional needs for protein, fats etc. The main thing I liked about JUDDD was the relaxation of all the previously ingrained ideas about what I 'could' and 'couldn't' eat, when on an UP day. It gave me a much healthier attitude to food whilst I was on it, but because of the overall calorie deficit I still don't think it went far enough to get me back to 'healthy' again.

I honestly think this constant focus on unsuccessful dieting and weight loss is heading me towards depression, and on some days it feels like I am already there. There - said it! I want to embrace my love of food again.

Phew! Congratulations if you've got this far. If you've skimmed to the end then the short version is I still haven't completely decided, but I am leaning towards the reset idea sooner, rather than later.
 
Haha think I've wasted the battery in my phone reading that!!! Well you seem to have done your homework and the battle can get depressing especially if you are playing with the same few pounds as I was the weeks before joining minimins.. Was in tears after my last weigh in so can totally understand the upset of it but can honestly say its working for me now and I would want you or any other member to feel in control and happy with what you're doing.. So if a reset is gonna work, go for it xx
 
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