MWWWD (or Moonwatcher's Weight Watchers Diary!)

Thanks Jo. *If* I do go for it (it is looking more likely now, but have to just take that final decision) I think I will keep my WW diary going. Don't think there is a section for it on Minimins, and I seem to have had diaries everywhere this last year, so will probably just stay here. You'll be able to read my ramblings for a while yet - better charge up that phone battery!
 
Hey MW, as you've read no doubt myself and LB have been having an ongoing discussion about things like this in general over on the JUDDD board, I have done so many different things this year I have forgotten what normal eating is! My Oh will no longer discuss dieting or eating plan and does this instead :hide: at the first mention of it!

Deep down I know that my overall approach to nutrition has to change, this is one of the key reasons I became increasingly uncomfy with JUDDD as I felt I was ignoring my nutritional needs 3 or 4 days of the week and of course I ended up in a bit of a mess over it all health wise. A while back I got totally hacked off with the whole thing and went in a complete huff for a few weeks, because as I said at the time 90% of the time I eat very healthy well balanced home cooked meals, my portions are under control and I have all but cut out take aways and junk food in the last 5 months, my diet is probably better now than it ever was, but why am I only 7lbs lighter than I was at the start of the year, despite 240 odd days of being on some eating plan or another with minimal amounts of time off?

Like you I remain at a bit of a loss over it all and I feel I've spent far too much of this year dealing with it/thinking about it, it's a bloomin hobby now, so please post up your TDEE findings for us who are having the same issues xxxx
 
Yep, sounds like you've pretty much understood the principle. I am really deliberated for a long time about the reset but am really happy i did it. Despite the fact that I have probably gained about 6lbs over the 9/10 weeks i did the reset I feel generally happier in myself. I've had very similar experiences over the last year or so as you and despite plodding on for a year or so of being on plan and not really getting any results I had begun to feel a distinct sense of despair creeping in. Food and weight were so emotive to me that they pretty much dictated my day, my week etc so I can very much relate to what you said about feeling it was actually veering towards actual depression. I suspect several of us can relate to that. I think one of the most hugely positive changes since the reset has been in my mood and in my additude towards food and weight. I feel comparatively relaxed about the whole thing and feel like I can concentrate on food as fuel to do good things for my body (enjoyable fuel of course ;) ) but alot of the obsessing and emotiveness has gone. And I think I have also discovered that the number of the scales aren't really that important overall. I weigh 1/2 a stone more than this time last year but all my clothes still fit, I don't think I actually *look* that different and am probably the fittest I have ever been.

Seeing the scales go up is scary at first, I won't lie to you. And so is the very beginning feeling really full and bloated but it does pass quickly and then you start to enjoy having so much more energy than you are used to. What several people suggest it trying to add in some weight training while you do the reset. This gives you something tangible to aim for rather than the numbers on the scales as you see the weights increasing, but it also means that some of the weight gain will be muscle rather than just fat.

We all know people who seemingly eat whatever they want, are in the healthy weights range and have never dieted. I wonder if that is precisely because they have never dieted and therefore never screwed up their metabolism? And their brain I will add. The psychological kick I used to get from fasting was so close to eating disorder territory looking back it rather scares me.

I seem to have rambled rather alot so I will summarise: I am really glad I did the reset. Make sure you are fully committed before starting because the first few weeks are the hardest but there are definitely benefits psychologically and energy wise if you can stick it out.
 
Hey MW, as you've read no doubt myself and LB have been having an ongoing discussion about things like this in general over on the JUDDD board, I have done so many different things this year I have forgotten what normal eating is! My Oh will no longer discuss dieting or eating plan and does this instead :hide: at the first mention of it!

Deep down I know that my overall approach to nutrition has to change, this is one of the key reasons I became increasingly uncomfy with JUDDD as I felt I was ignoring my nutritional needs 3 or 4 days of the week and of course I ended up in a bit of a mess over it all health wise. A while back I got totally hacked off with the whole thing and went in a complete huff for a few weeks, because as I said at the time 90% of the time I eat very healthy well balanced home cooked meals, my portions are under control and I have all but cut out take aways and junk food in the last 5 months, my diet is probably better now than it ever was, but why am I only 7lbs lighter than I was at the start of the year, despite 240 odd days of being on some eating plan or another with minimal amounts of time off?

Like you I remain at a bit of a loss over it all and I feel I've spent far too much of this year dealing with it/thinking about it, it's a bloomin hobby now, so please post up your TDEE findings for us who are having the same issues xxxx

Hi LW,

It is truly dis-heartening isn't it, not least in the way it takes over your life? I think the freedom I felt on UP days on JUDDD is what I need at the moment, but without the restrictions of the DDs. Have a look at Atomic Pink's diary in the WW section, as she has done the reset and it looks like with overall success. One of the sites I was looking at yesterday said that your reset hasn't been truly successful until you can let go of that panic about gaining half a pound and I think that is so true,

I have decided today that I am going for it. I would rather spend three or four years slowly inching to goal whilst being able to relax about food, than carry on for another year like this one! I'm also aware that I need to be thinking ahead to things like bone density as I get older. All the years of on/off dieting may already have done some harm, but at least I can do the best I can to minimise any further problems.

I will PM you in a minute too.
 
Yep, sounds like you've pretty much understood the principle. I am really deliberated for a long time about the reset but am really happy i did it. Despite the fact that I have probably gained about 6lbs over the 9/10 weeks i did the reset I feel generally happier in myself. I've had very similar experiences over the last year or so as you and despite plodding on for a year or so of being on plan and not really getting any results I had begun to feel a distinct sense of despair creeping in. Food and weight were so emotive to me that they pretty much dictated my day, my week etc so I can very much relate to what you said about feeling it was actually veering towards actual depression. I suspect several of us can relate to that. I think one of the most hugely positive changes since the reset has been in my mood and in my additude towards food and weight. I feel comparatively relaxed about the whole thing and feel like I can concentrate on food as fuel to do good things for my body (enjoyable fuel of course ;) ) but alot of the obsessing and emotiveness has gone. And I think I have also discovered that the number of the scales aren't really that important overall. I weigh 1/2 a stone more than this time last year but all my clothes still fit, I don't think I actually *look* that different and am probably the fittest I have ever been.

Seeing the scales go up is scary at first, I won't lie to you. And so is the very beginning feeling really full and bloated but it does pass quickly and then you start to enjoy having so much more energy than you are used to. What several people suggest it trying to add in some weight training while you do the reset. This gives you something tangible to aim for rather than the numbers on the scales as you see the weights increasing, but it also means that some of the weight gain will be muscle rather than just fat.

We all know people who seemingly eat whatever they want, are in the healthy weights range and have never dieted. I wonder if that is precisely because they have never dieted and therefore never screwed up their metabolism? And their brain I will add. The psychological kick I used to get from fasting was so close to eating disorder territory looking back it rather scares me.

I seem to have rambled rather alot so I will summarise: I am really glad I did the reset. Make sure you are fully committed before starting because the first few weeks are the hardest but there are definitely benefits psychologically and energy wise if you can stick it out.

You see Atomic, everything you are saying there is what I want to be saying in a few months time.

I never had a serious problem with my weight until I started dieting! Then over the years I gained more and more, despite my best efforts on various diets. I can't really remember a time in my adult life where I have felt happy with my weight, what I am eating, and with my energy levels all at the same time. Now I have cut the gluten I feel it is time to finish the job properly!

So I have decided to go for it. I have been pointing over the weekend, but with quite a few weeklies and have basically eaten/planned what I want up to feeling satisfied but not stuffed. Counting it all up and it comes in just about the calorie level of my TDEE. I need to work out my TDEE a bit more accurately and then I am ready to go. Until payday I will need to eat from my cupboards and freezer, then will stock up on some healthy options and some not so healthy treats! Having said that, we can usually survive quite a while on the food I have 'in!'
 
Really pleased you have decided to go for it :) What have you worked out your TDEE as? Some people gradually work up to it over a few weeks, I ended up having 2 days eating about 500 calories below it, then a week at about 250 below and then jumped straight in. You get used to eating that much pretty quickly ;)

Its a lovely feeling when the restrictions come off isn't it? I kind of rediscovered so many things that I had avoided cooking or eating for ages due to the calories - such as stew and dumplings! Its great - I have cooked the stew in beer, have dumplings with it and am having both potatoes and roast parnsips with it as well as other veg. It only comes in at 700 calories but I would never have "spent" that much on a dinner before.
 
Really pleased you have decided to go for it :) What have you worked out your TDEE as? Some people gradually work up to it over a few weeks, I ended up having 2 days eating about 500 calories below it, then a week at about 250 below and then jumped straight in. You get used to eating that much pretty quickly ;)

Its a lovely feeling when the restrictions come off isn't it? I kind of rediscovered so many things that I had avoided cooking or eating for ages due to the calories - such as stew and dumplings! Its great - I have cooked the stew in beer, have dumplings with it and am having both potatoes and roast parnsips with it as well as other veg. It only comes in at 700 calories but I would never have "spent" that much on a dinner before.

Well I need to take a good look at the spreadsheet (thanks, by the way) to get as accurate a figure as possible, but trying out some of the web calculators and allowing three exercise sessions (more on that later) it comes out at 2160 - 2229 ish, depending on which site and which equation they are using. Quite a jump, considering what 27 dailies plus weeklies works out to!

I have actually had around the 2160 mark yesterday and today. Yesterday was quite a snacky day and also quite a bit of cheese and full fat milk (the local shop had sold out of semi skimmed milk and cream)
so it seemed quite easy to hit those calories, but today I have had three meals, with one of them being the aforementioned stew and dumpling with apple bread pudding and custard, plus some chocolate. Although the other two meals weren't that big, and I only had one dumpling with the stew, I feel absolutely stuffed and a little bit queasy! Is it likely that would result from two consecutive days at that calorie level? It works out around 50pp a day, plus the cals for the fruit and veg!

Back to the 3 exercise sessions I mentioned above. This is my plan for this week. One thing I have noticed since going gluten free is how much more soundly and well I sleep. Previously it would be nothing for me to get up for a wee 5 or 6 times a night, but now I go right through without waking once! Amazingly. 'urinary urgency' turns out to be a common symptom! Sorry if that Is TMI. Anyway, now, unsurprisingly, I am feeling a lot more alert in the mornimgs, so I am going back to three exercise sessions a week, not sure what I will be doing yet. Re the weight training Atomic, I only have hand weights at home and don't plan on joining a gym, but I suppose it would be a start.

Anyway, OH.wants me to watch some comedy alien film with Simon Pegg in it, so signing off now. Will update with the weekend's food tomorrow. Hummus and crackers for lunch tomorrow, steak, peas and wedges tomorrow night, not sure about breakfast yet - possibly gf cereal followed by yogurt with maple syrup and nuts.
 
Thanks Jo. *If* I do go for it (it is looking more likely now, but have to just take that final decision) I think I will keep my WW diary going. Don't think there is a section for it on Minimins, and I seem to have had diaries everywhere this last year, so will probably just stay here. You'll be able to read my ramblings for a while yet - better charge up that phone battery!

Yeah I like you here!! Stay with us ;) are you gonna pp everything still? xx
 
I'll be following your progress with interest!

I've watched quite a few documentaries about dieting recently, and it seems most people don't have significant problems until they start dieting. I think it's a combination of ruining your metabolism from crash dieting, then stopping the diet and regaining the weight when you go back to your usual eating habits. Yo-yo dieting can wreak havoc on the body!

In my teenage years I had a form of bulimia where I'd not eat anything for 24 hours, then go on a binge, then not eat again etc. I hope to god I have not ruined my metabolism doing that! I've not really gone on any other diets before, WW is my first and what I like about it is the fact that nothing is off limits. Once I get to goal I will carry on pointing- it's not a diet where once you stop you drastically change your eating habits. WW for life!
 
I'll be following your progress with interest!

I've watched quite a few documentaries about dieting recently, and it seems most people don't have significant problems until they start dieting. I think it's a combination of ruining your metabolism from crash dieting, then stopping the diet and regaining the weight when you go back to your usual eating habits. Yo-yo dieting can wreak havoc on the body!

In my teenage years I had a form of bulimia where I'd not eat anything for 24 hours, then go on a binge, then not eat again etc. I hope to god I have not ruined my metabolism doing that! I've not really gone on any other diets before, WW is my first and what I like about it is the fact that nothing is off limits. Once I get to goal I will carry on pointing- it's not a diet where once you stop you drastically change your eating habits. WW for life!


hi-5 on ww for life Sarah!! It's not a diet but a change of lifestyle xx
 
Hope you enjoyed the film last night, moonwatcher. We watched lake placid 3, which as you can imagine was a piece of cinematic mastery ;) But it went very well with some cheese and a mixed fruit cider...

The hand weights are definitely a good start with the weights but there are also lots of "body weight" exercises you can do which work in the same way - press ups, dips etc etc. There's variations on all of them so it would be about getting comfortable with one of the variations and then moving up to the next variation rather than increasing weight.

The feeling bloated is quite normal in the early stages I am afraid. It seems to vary how long that lasts for, I think I was quite lucky in that it only lasted about 4/5 days and then I had the next stage to endure - being ravenously hungry every 2.5 hours irrespective of how much i had eaten. At this stage I was sorely tempted to nibble on colleagues and cats if there weren't appropriate snacks around! But it did show me that my metabolism was "waking up".

Sounds like you have a really good plan with the food and the exercise. Main thing - just enjoy it! After years of restricting yourself it feels like the world of food as opened up again :)
 
Great you made a decision anyway hopefully it will help you in the long run. Find this very interesting my sister has a similary problem in that she can do really well on ww or any diet for that matter and not lose anything or very little she did have an eating disorder years ago for about a year and lost about 6 stone with it so we were saying that that prob didnt do good for her body. Must pass this info onto her for her to research it might do her good and she gets so disheartened when the rest of us are losing weight and she does better than any of us and doesnt lose anything.

Glad you are going to be keeping up your diary here will be following it with interest :) Good luck
 
Will just post the weekend's food, then will reply to everyone.

Saturday 14th September (retrospectively the first day of my metabolism reset, eating to my TDEE calories)

Breakfast - two eggs on two slices gluten free bread and tomatoes, all fried in spray olive oil and served with HP Woodstock BBQ sauce

Lunch -2 buckwheat crispbread with cheddar cheese, hummus crisps

Dinner - buckwheat pasta spirals with some smoked salmon and cream cheese appetisers stirred in (found them in the freezer), and a spoonful greek yogurt, cubes of mozzarella, roast courgette and roast plum tomatoes, one golden delicious apple

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Snacks - one finger of Cadbury twirl, half a Nakd cocoa bar,

Drinks - water, one milk coffee with full fat milk, one white hot chocolate options made with milk, glass of strongbow pear cider,

Total calories 2195

Sunday 15th September

Breakfast - Onken and greek yogurt mixed together and served with a chocolate sauce made by mixing golden syrup and cocoa powder, chopped mixed nuts

Morning snack - one Cadbury twirl finger

Lunch - cucumber and salad cream gluten free sandwich, cheese and onion crisps

Dinner - oxtail stew with carrots, potatoes and a horseradish dumpling, cabbage, apple bread pudding with custard

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Drinks - water, two coffees and cream, three earl grey teas with milk

Total calories - 2166

Monday 16th September

Breakfast - gluten free cereal flakes, milk and sweetener

Lunch - hummus, gluten free crispbread, cherry tomatoes, cheese and onion crisps, golden delicious apple

Dinner - rib eye steak with onion cream sauce, peas, tomatoes, potato wedges and mustard

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Snacks - apple bread pudding and custard, a Cadbury's Dairy Milk mousse snowman

Drinks - water, one coffee and cream, three earl grey teas with milk

Calories 2200
 
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Yeah I like you here!! Stay with us ;) are you gonna pp everything still? xx

Don't think I will point for a while Jojo as I will be counting calories up to my TDEE level. I will probably feel a bit of a fraud though recording over 2000 calories a day on here!

I'll be following your progress with interest!

I've watched quite a few documentaries about dieting recently, and it seems most people don't have significant problems until they start dieting. I think it's a combination of ruining your metabolism from crash dieting, then stopping the diet and regaining the weight when you go back to your usual eating habits. Yo-yo dieting can wreak havoc on the body!

In my teenage years I had a form of bulimia where I'd not eat anything for 24 hours, then go on a binge, then not eat again etc. I hope to god I have not ruined my metabolism doing that! I've not really gone on any other diets before, WW is my first and what I like about it is the fact that nothing is off limits. Once I get to goal I will carry on pointing- it's not a diet where once you stop you drastically change your eating habits. WW for life!

hi-5 on ww for life Sarah!! It's not a diet but a change of lifestyle xx

Totally agree that for any eating plan to be successful it has to be a life time thing. I think WW is probably the best plan of all I have tried, but feel it has ground to a halt for me, so really hope the metabolism reset works.

Hope you enjoyed the film last night, moonwatcher. We watched lake placid 3, which as you can imagine was a piece of cinematic mastery ;) But it went very well with some cheese and a mixed fruit cider...

The hand weights are definitely a good start with the weights but there are also lots of "body weight" exercises you can do which work in the same way - press ups, dips etc etc. There's variations on all of them so it would be about getting comfortable with one of the variations and then moving up to the next variation rather than increasing weight.

The feeling bloated is quite normal in the early stages I am afraid. It seems to vary how long that lasts for, I think I was quite lucky in that it only lasted about 4/5 days and then I had the next stage to endure - being ravenously hungry every 2.5 hours irrespective of how much i had eaten. At this stage I was sorely tempted to nibble on colleagues and cats if there weren't appropriate snacks around! But it did show me that my metabolism was "waking up".

Sounds like you have a really good plan with the food and the exercise. Main thing - just enjoy it! After years of restricting yourself it feels like the world of food as opened up again :)

The film was 'Paul' - probably fits into the same cinematic category as Lake Placid 3! I will investigate the weight exercises further to work out a plan.

Feeling full again at the moment!

Great you made a decision anyway hopefully it will help you in the long run. Find this very interesting my sister has a similary problem in that she can do really well on ww or any diet for that matter and not lose anything or very little she did have an eating disorder years ago for about a year and lost about 6 stone with it so we were saying that that prob didnt do good for her body. Must pass this info onto her for her to research it might do her good and she gets so disheartened when the rest of us are losing weight and she does better than any of us and doesnt lose anything.

Glad you are going to be keeping up your diary here will be following it with interest :) Good luck

Once you start reading up on it, it is surprising how many people have a similar problem, and I really don't believe that all of them are deluding themselves about what they are eating. I don't suppose the reset is the answer for everyone, but I feel it is definitely worth a try for me.
 
You won't be a fraud, it's still progress in the long run isn't it?? xx

I hope so! I have just woken up after dozing off on the bed with phone in hand, and I am absolutely starving. After all I have eaten over the last three days as well! According to Atomic Pink, (who is fast becoming my metabolism reset guru) and other stuff I have been reading, this is quite normal and can be a sign that your metabolism is 'waking up.' I suppose technically I can have something without going over my calories, as it is actually tomorrow now - so I am starting tomorrow/today with an options white hot chocolate, made with milk instead of water, and a dash of cream. Sure I must have put on about half a stone alteady!
 
I hope so! I have just woken up after dozing off on the bed with phone in hand, and I am absolutely starving. After all I have eaten over the last three days as well! According to Atomic Pink, (who is fast becoming my metabolism reset guru) and other stuff I have been reading, this is quite normal and can be a sign that your metabolism is 'waking up.' I suppose technically I can have something without going over my calories, as it is actually tomorrow now - so I am starting tomorrow/today with an options white hot chocolate, made with milk instead of water, and a dash of cream. Sure I must have put on about half a stone alteady!

Haha you're dead right girl.. Do you feel hungrier now since you're allowing yourself more calories? It's bloody cold today, a day for soup and bed xx
 
A delicious sounding weekend there. Glad to see you are putting your calories to good use :) And that The Hunger seems to have struck you! Has it been evident today? My stomach was so noisey and insistent about being fed after the first 3 or 4 days of the reset it got named the Hungry Pink Bear. As it felt very much like my metabolism was coming out of a long hibernation. That stage didn't last more than a week though and things are what I would consider "normal" now. I can get away with just 3 meals a day now and not feel like I am going to start chewing my own arm if a meal is a bit late now. When I was in the grips of The Hunger I kept a bag of nuts and a banana on my person at all times to prevent ABH being committed, and tended to plan my calories around 3 smaller meals and at least 2 fairly substantial snacks.

And you won't have gained 1/5 a stone. I promise. There is a bit of a quick gain at first but in some ways that shows that you need to do this - if your body gains on maintenance calories then it shows that your metabolsim is suppressed. That can be reassuring when confronting the scales to begin with. But alot of the initial gain is water weights and your glycogen stores being restored to where they should have been.

I know where you are coming from with recording calories over 2000 on here. I felt really wierd about it at first too and was just going to list the food but people encouraged me to list the calories too as they were interested in the process. It will be really nice having someone on here eating as much as me! I was *forced* to have an amaretto cofee and a wispa last night as I was over 400 calories below target. It will be nice having someone else to share such traumas with! ;)
 
So are you eating the full TDEE, or 25% below? Just had a quick google and not really sure I understand!
 
Haha you're dead right girl.. Do you feel hungrier now since you're allowing yourself more calories? It's bloody cold today, a day for soup and bed xx

I felt really full on Sunday and ok all day,but hungry since yesterday evening. Although I nearly always eat breakfast I very rarely actual feel hungry on weekdays, but have something anyway. This morning I was ravenous from 6.00 onwards, really hungry at lunchtime. Have just had a jam tart with cream when I got in from work, and am already more than ready for my evening meal (which we don't usually eat until about 8.00) Apparently it is really common,

A delicious sounding weekend there. Glad to see you are putting your calories to good use :) And that The Hunger seems to have struck you! Has it been evident today? My stomach was so noisey and insistent about being fed after the first 3 or 4 days of the reset it got named the Hungry Pink Bear. As it felt very much like my metabolism was coming out of a long hibernation. That stage didn't last more than a week though and things are what I would consider "normal" now. I can get away with just 3 meals a day now and not feel like I am going to start chewing my own arm if a meal is a bit late now. When I was in the grips of The Hunger I kept a bag of nuts and a banana on my person at all times to prevent ABH being committed, and tended to plan my calories around 3 smaller meals and at least 2 fairly substantial snacks.

And you won't have gained 1/5 a stone. I promise. There is a bit of a quick gain at first but in some ways that shows that you need to do this - if your body gains on maintenance calories then it shows that your metabolsim is suppressed. That can be reassuring when confronting the scales to begin with. But alot of the initial gain is water weights and your glycogen stores being restored to where they should have been.

I know where you are coming from with recording calories over 2000 on here. I felt really wierd about it at first too and was just going to list the food but people encouraged me to list the calories too as they were interested in the process. It will be really nice having someone on here eating as much as me! I was *forced* to have an amaretto cofee and a wispa last night as I was over 400 calories below target. It will be nice having someone else to share such traumas with! ;)

"The Hunger" - I like it! It is quite an unusual feeling for me, especially so often during the day. Good job lessons weren't too quiet today as the rumbles would have been quite embarrassing! When I had lunch yesterday, it made me think how little I had been taking for lunch, for a long time. I had only added a packet of crisps and a larger portion of proper home made hummus (glug in the olive oil!), but it seemed a lot of food, although actually it wasn't really a huge amount. Took a treacle tart today to have with my cheese and pickle rolls and felt very self conscious eating it, which does I think show how the relationship with food affects us, Why should I feel self conscious about eating one small treacle tart? I'm only eating to my allowed calories, not gorging on dozens of pies!

I need to stock up on some things I can grab en route between classrooms, as we are not allowed to eat in classrooms (well technically we can, as long as it is not a science lab, but the kids can't and I feel we should lead by example.) Maybe I need to hide a packet of nuts in my pencil case!

I feel your pain on the forced consumption of Ameretto and chocolate. I will do my best to support you, although not with Ameretto as I don't like it. There is some elderflower liqueur loitering in the cupboard though.

So are you eating the full TDEE, or 25% below? Just had a quick google and not really sure I understand!

I am eating the full TDEE. Some people go straight from their previous diet to a set percentage below TDEE, which is still more than they were eating previously, and don't do the reset. To do the reset you need to eat to your TDEE, There is a site called eatmore2weighless which explains it quite well. I googled it initially and there are lots of sites which seemed mention the TDEE but not the reset idea.
 
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