ladyfelsham
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Evening Scrummy - sorry the losses are being a little patchy at the moment, is it worth posting your menus for a bit and see if anything jumps out at you/us? xxx
Scrumbles' diary...life after losing a third of me...
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Scrumbles
Dancing Queen
I'm not actually trying to lose at the moment - I'm deliberately maintaining for a couple of weeks, so all is well 
Had a NSV this morning. I tried on a pair of size 14 stretch jeans that I used to wear regularly about 12 years ago, and they fitted me - well, I could do them up anyway! Was well chuffed with that
Mind you, it did show me how my shape has changed with age. A decade ago they would have been tight because of my thighs and bottom, but now they're quite loose in that area and it's my football of a stomach that means they're not a perfect fit - you know middle-age has arrived when your fat starts migrating upwards! Ho hum.
Still, on the plus side, I suppose at least I'm a more even shape than I used to be: I was always 2" bigger on the hips than the bust but now there's less than an inch difference. Should be easier to buy a coat that actually fits top and bottom I guess!
Had a NSV this morning. I tried on a pair of size 14 stretch jeans that I used to wear regularly about 12 years ago, and they fitted me
- well, I could do them up anyway! Was well chuffed with that Mind you, it did show me how my shape has changed with age. A decade ago they would have been tight because of my thighs and bottom, but now they're quite loose in that area and it's my football of a stomach that means they're not a perfect fit - you know middle-age has arrived when your fat starts migrating upwards! Ho hum.
Still, on the plus side, I suppose at least I'm a more even shape than I used to be: I was always 2" bigger on the hips than the bust but now there's less than an inch difference. Should be easier to buy a coat that actually fits top and bottom I guess!
moonlights
Gold Member
Hi scrummie - was just thinking about thus on someone else's thread and decided to consult the oracle of diet tweaking.
So. I'm going to be having a couple of individual off plan days late nov/early dec, most likely. Then taking 2 weeks totally off plan over Xmas.
I was thinking id be putting on water weight, taking off water weight, doing the same again, then taking the big hit with my usual gain of 10-14lbs mostly water weight during the two weeks. Then spending two weeks in jan losing that.
Basically I'd decided if I come out of January at the same weight as I go into December I will be happy - and I will.
But I've been wondering if using the first 3 weeks of December to gradually increase my carbs to 50-60g a day might reduce the impact of two weeks totally off plan. What do you think, oh oracle, worth a try?
Also - well done on the size 14 jeans! That's my next target, but they'll be Evans ones as I don't know anywhere else that cuts for big tummies.
So. I'm going to be having a couple of individual off plan days late nov/early dec, most likely. Then taking 2 weeks totally off plan over Xmas.
I was thinking id be putting on water weight, taking off water weight, doing the same again, then taking the big hit with my usual gain of 10-14lbs mostly water weight during the two weeks. Then spending two weeks in jan losing that.
Basically I'd decided if I come out of January at the same weight as I go into December I will be happy - and I will.
But I've been wondering if using the first 3 weeks of December to gradually increase my carbs to 50-60g a day might reduce the impact of two weeks totally off plan. What do you think, oh oracle, worth a try?
Also - well done on the size 14 jeans! That's my next target, but they'll be Evans ones as I don't know anywhere else that cuts for big tummies.
Scrumbles
Dancing Queen
Sucks doesn't it? We need a group discount on lipo, lol
Interesting...it might do. But for me - and I can only speak for myself - it doesn't seem to matter whether I raise carbs gradually or suddenly; as long as I don't go overboard (and I'm not even sure what my carb tolerance limit is tbh because I haven't found it yet!) I barely gain. I suspect it just depends on where your personal threshold for starting to replace glycogen lies, and whether you creep up on it or blast through it might not make a lot of difference?
I'd say it's worth a shot though, if only to see how your body responds to moderate increases in carbs rather than a sudden large one. And if you stay under 50g per day you shouldn't be dropping out of ketosis, so you might even find you keep losing.
I shall be going off-plan at Christmas too - and I mean really off-plan, like I did last Christmas: no tracking, no menu planning, and eating the full array of festive goodies
I only put on a pound doing that last year, but then I weighed over 16 stone at the time, so I could get away with a lot more then than I can now. Yikes.You definitely won't be the only one counting the cost in January...:break_diet:
moonlights
Gold Member
Oh I plan on going really -off- plan over Xmas too!
What I meant was I was wondering if by increasing carbs to 50g ish for a couple of weeks before stepping willfully off plan, I might not have the same huge water weight gain I've had when I've come off plan before, hence possibly less to lose after Xmas.
An not sure though. I looked at my calendar and can actually probably stay on plan the whole of December (until Xmas) with only one day off plan right at the beginning. That would give me a little time to maybe lose a little more if I just continued as usual.
Hmm, well I have another month to think about it!
What I meant was I was wondering if by increasing carbs to 50g ish for a couple of weeks before stepping willfully off plan, I might not have the same huge water weight gain I've had when I've come off plan before, hence possibly less to lose after Xmas.
An not sure though. I looked at my calendar and can actually probably stay on plan the whole of December (until Xmas) with only one day off plan right at the beginning. That would give me a little time to maybe lose a little more if I just continued as usual.
Hmm, well I have another month to think about it!
ladyfelsham
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I shall be going off-plan at Christmas too - and I mean really off-plan, like I did last Christmas: no tracking, no menu planning, and eating the full array of festive goodies
Me three! For the first time in years I'll have enough space to invite people round for Christmas dinner - and have enough space to make the dinner - AND have a fridge big enough to put any leftovers
I can already feel a big shop at M&S coming on
Scrumbles
Dancing Queen
Official weigh in today and I am slightly above posted, but basically treading water, as expected. Average cals for the week were 1486, so up on the week before, but only by about 200. There hasn't been much day-to-day swing either: my highest day was 1600 and my lowest 1430, so nothing dramatic. I thought there would be a greater variation, but my appetite seems quite steady. One more week of this and it will be bye-bye oatcakes and back to actively trying to lose...gonna get into the 11's if it kills me, lol
Aye, I got what you meant but probably didn't explain myself very well
As far as my understanding goes, we all have a certain point where excess carbs will start being stored as glycogen + water, and as long as you stay below that threshold it doesn't matter whether you're 5g under it or 55g under it, you won't start storing glycogen and thereby water (this is the water weight you're talking about, right?).
So if that is true, I don't see that upping your carbs in advance would actually make a difference: I would think your body would keep trucking along as normal, but as soon as there's an excess, it will convert it to glycogen, and how much it makes will depend on how great the excess is. Does that sound logical?
So, as I say, you could try it but I don't see it making a difference personally. Would love to know though, so if you're up for an experiment, go for it! *passes over lab coat and geeky glasses*
Aye, I got what you meant but probably didn't explain myself very well
As far as my understanding goes, we all have a certain point where excess carbs will start being stored as glycogen + water, and as long as you stay below that threshold it doesn't matter whether you're 5g under it or 55g under it, you won't start storing glycogen and thereby water (this is the water weight you're talking about, right?).
So if that is true, I don't see that upping your carbs in advance would actually make a difference: I would think your body would keep trucking along as normal, but as soon as there's an excess, it will convert it to glycogen, and how much it makes will depend on how great the excess is. Does that sound logical?
So, as I say, you could try it but I don't see it making a difference personally. Would love to know though, so if you're up for an experiment, go for it! *passes over lab coat and geeky glasses*
moonlights
Gold Member
Ahh I see now. I thought part of going up through owl etc was to gradually reintro carbs without having to deal with the water weight although thinking about it perhaps it just assumes you'll still be losing, albeit slowly.
And the ww does tend to come on in a rush then gradually lessen naturally if I continue eating carbs. The first time I went off plan I was up by 13lbs initially but only by 8lbs when I went back on plan, despite having eaten the same (bad) things the whole time.
Ah well, I know I can undo any damage so I'll concentrate on that.
And the ww does tend to come on in a rush then gradually lessen naturally if I continue eating carbs. The first time I went off plan I was up by 13lbs initially but only by 8lbs when I went back on plan, despite having eaten the same (bad) things the whole time.
Ah well, I know I can undo any damage so I'll concentrate on that.
Scrumbles
Dancing Queen
Yeah, I believe you're supposed to be in ketosis all through OWL, albeit less and less as time goes on, so you won't be refilling your glycogen stores.
What I haven't quite grasped is how you're supposed to end the weight loss phase with regard to that glycogen weight because in my case that's about 8-10lbs of regain I'm looking at as soon as I eat enough carbs for my body to store an excess! Maybe we're supposed never to regain it and operate permanently without that store? Perhaps it's the restoration of that store (and the consequent weight gain) that tells you you're eating too many carbs and it's time to back off? I think I'd better re-read the Pre-maintenance and Maintenance chapters in my book before I manage to totally bamboozle myself, lol!
Nothing much going on at the moment. Still eating for maintenance, and still maintaining...result! Had roast celeriac again last night and it's proving to be a real winner in the Scrumbles household - we both love the stuff. It's so sweet and yummy I find myself wondering how it can possibly be legal, yet it is! Who needs potato?
I ordered another couple of DaVinci syrups from the LCM last night - caramel and vanilla. I really wish they did some kind of taster pack with miniature bottles so that you could try them without having to spend £6 on a dirty great 750ml bottle most of whose contents may end up going straight down the sink! I'd feel I could be a bit more adventurous if I could try a few in a smaller size, but eh. Their loss!
Hoping to get out for a walk today, but it's way too grotty at the moment
Rain, rain, go away...
What I haven't quite grasped is how you're supposed to end the weight loss phase with regard to that glycogen weight because in my case that's about 8-10lbs of regain I'm looking at as soon as I eat enough carbs for my body to store an excess! Maybe we're supposed never to regain it and operate permanently without that store? Perhaps it's the restoration of that store (and the consequent weight gain) that tells you you're eating too many carbs and it's time to back off? I think I'd better re-read the Pre-maintenance and Maintenance chapters in my book before I manage to totally bamboozle myself, lol!
Nothing much going on at the moment. Still eating for maintenance, and still maintaining...result! Had roast celeriac again last night and it's proving to be a real winner in the Scrumbles household - we both love the stuff. It's so sweet and yummy I find myself wondering how it can possibly be legal, yet it is! Who needs potato?
I ordered another couple of DaVinci syrups from the LCM last night - caramel and vanilla. I really wish they did some kind of taster pack with miniature bottles so that you could try them without having to spend £6 on a dirty great 750ml bottle most of whose contents may end up going straight down the sink! I'd feel I could be a bit more adventurous if I could try a few in a smaller size, but eh. Their loss!
Hoping to get out for a walk today, but it's way too grotty at the moment
Rain, rain, go away...
ladyfelsham
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What a brilliant idea! I also wish they kept a decent stock of all the flavours, I've been waiting for raspberry to come into stock forever...
Supersmileyme
Gold Member
I'm with you girls, monin used to do little bottles in a pack of 5 different flavours, alas they were not sugar free. I've been waiting for coconut and raspberry flavours, but the email never arrives...
moonlights
Gold Member
I want the caramel flavour but waiting to order until they get the ketchup back in stock... By which time the caramel will probably be gone!
Have to say though I'm just using basic almond essence in nearly everything right now. Addicted!
Have to say though I'm just using basic almond essence in nearly everything right now. Addicted!
ladyfelsham
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Email the lovely woman at LCM (Rachel?) and she'll put aside what they have in stock until whatever you're waiting for comes in.
moonlights
Gold Member
The Heinz one's the only one I like
Scrumbles
Dancing Queen
Have to admit that I'm *bad* with ketchup and use the ordinary Heinz reduced sugar version that you get in supermarkets. I never have much though - less than half a tablespoon which is 1.4g carbs - and it doesn't seem to affect me.
I was out yesterday but managed to stay on plan, and this morning there are signs that my weight might be on the move again. So, time to come out of maintenance mode and start dieting again. I'll be keeping cals under 1400 per day and carbs under 35g - that seemed to do the trick last cycle, so we'll see if it does again...
I was out yesterday but managed to stay on plan, and this morning there are signs that my weight might be on the move again. So, time to come out of maintenance mode and start dieting again. I'll be keeping cals under 1400 per day and carbs under 35g - that seemed to do the trick last cycle, so we'll see if it does again...
moonlights
Gold Member
I use ketchup mainly in marinades etc - although I probably don't consume all of it when used like that.
My body is being very odd. Gave me all the signs of Pms when totm was due but a week later... Nothing. It's been gradually edging later by a couple of days every couple of months but this is unusual for me. It's probably psychosomatic but I feel like its affecting my weight.
My body is being very odd. Gave me all the signs of Pms when totm was due but a week later... Nothing. It's been gradually edging later by a couple of days every couple of months but this is unusual for me. It's probably psychosomatic but I feel like its affecting my weight.
